Pope Francis and the Rose Prophecy: The Current View

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Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum. Habemus Papam!

Qui sibi nomen imposuit: Franciscum, 'Ingis ardens'

Nostradamus, Quatrain 2.97 ~

Romain Pontife garde de t'approcher,
De la citÚ que deux fleuves arrouse,
Ton sang viendras aupres de lÓ cracher,
Toi & les tiens quand fleurira la Rose.

Roman Pontiff beware of approaching,
The city that two rivers arrouse,
Your blood will come from the spitting,
You and yours when the Rose will flourish.

Pope Francis waves to a crowd of the faithful The Third Secret of Fatima (excerpt) ~

And we saw in an immense light ... a Bishop dressed in White. We had the impression that it was the Holy Father. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions.

 

Updated: February 5, 2017 (9:05 PM ET).

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: This is now a special page for current papal news speculation in the light of prophecy. For a complete background in papal prophecies and Pope Francis himself please refer back to Pope Francis and the Rose Prophecy. Thank you.

 

IS POPE FRANCIS SOON TO BE THREATENED BY A GREAT SCHISM?

Pope Francis waves to the crowd Nostradamus, Quatrain 5.46 ~

Par chapeaux rouges querelles & nouveaux schismes,
Quand on aura esleu le Sabinois:
On produira contre lui grans sophismes,
Et sera Rome lesse par Albanois.

By red hats & quarrels, new schisms
When the Sabine will have been elected:
They will produce great sophism against him,
And Rome will be injured by Alba
(Scotland or Alba near Piedmont in NW Italy).

There were indeed quarrels and new schisms, little schisms, when Pope Francis was elected. Most memorable of these was the resignation of Cardinal Keith O’Brien, head of the Scottish Catholic Church, during a sex scandal. However, now something much bigger may be taking shape, a great sophism:

 

Posters critical of Pope Francis appear around Rome

By Delia Gallagher, CNN

Updated 1931 GMT (0331 HKT) February 5, 2017

Rome (CNN) — Posters of a stern-looking Pope Francis appeared on walls around Rome on Saturday, condemning his actions against some conservative Catholics and asking, "Where is your mercy?"

Written in local Roman dialect, the posters lamented that the Pope had "removed priests; decapitated the Knights of Malta" and "ignored Cardinals," echoing some of the major complaints some conservative Catholics have about Pope Francis' recent decisions. The posters were not signed by any group.

On the day the posters appeared the Pope finalized a months-long battle with the Knights of Malta by appointing a Special Delegate from the Vatican and giving him "all necessary powers" to help renew the traditional Catholic Order.

The Knights of Malta have a unique "sovereign" standing within the Catholic Church, similar to that of a separate country, and they had contested the legality of the Pope's intervention into their order.

Last month the Pope forced the resignation of the head of the Knights of Malta, former Grand Master Matthew Festing, who had publicly opposed him.

The reference in the poster to "decapitation of the Knights of Malta" refers to this battle.

Criticism of the pontiff

Within a few hours of their appearance, the posters had been taken down or covered over by "Illegal Posting" signs from the City of Rome.

Conservative criticism of Pope Francis has intensified since November, when he refused to answer an official letter sent to him by four cardinals. The letter criticized his move to allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive communion.

That issue has divided many in the Catholic Church and has left bishops around the world arguing about the Pope's intentions and how to implement the directive.

One of the signers of that letter, known as a dubia, was conservative US Cardinal Raymond Burke, whom the Pope removed as the head of the Vatican's Supreme Court in 2014 and named as his papal liaison to the Knights of Malta.



Pope Francis becoming an antipope say posters

On Saturday, the Pope once again effectively sidelined Cardinal Burke by appointing Archbishop Angelo Becciu as his "special delegate" to the Knights and his "exclusive spokesman" in relations between the order and the Vatican.

Defenders of Pope Francis claim the posters are a sign that the Pope is doing something right. Fr. Antonio Spadaro, editor of Jesuit Vatican journal La CiviltÓ Cattolica and a friend of Pope Francis, tweeted from Rome: "It's a sign that he's doing well and causing A LOT of bother." The Vatican declined to comment on the posters.

When asked about conservative criticism of him in a November 2016 interview with Italian bishops' newspaper Avvenire, the Pope replied, "I don't lose any sleep over it."

 

February 5, 2017: Apparently, there has been building anger against the Pope over his decision to allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive communion since November 2016 (which must not have been highly-publicized). That in addition to the newer troubles involving the Knights of Malta and the firing of priests.

This could be very bad as another prophecy by Nostradamus indicates that when a Great Schism is in full swing, Pope Francis will no longer be pope.

 

Pope Francis waves to the crowd Nostradamus, Quatrain 5.49 ~

Nul de l'Espaigne mais de l'antique France
Ne sera esleu pour le tremblant nacelle,
A l'ennemi sera saicte fiance,
Qui dans son regne sera peste cruelle.

Not from Spain but from ancient France
Will be the one elected for the trembling ship,
To the enemy will be made a trust,
In whose reign will be a cruel plague.

When Nostradamus mentions a "trembling ship" in his quatrains and its pope, he is referring to a time when the Church is in danger of breaking up (schism) or being terribly troubled and its very existence threatened by world events. According to the French prophet, when this state of affairs reaches its most critical point, the Pope from Spain (or Latin America) will no longer be in power and a French pope shall be elected.

There are four leading cardinals opposed to Pope Francis over his Amoris Laetitia decision on divorced and remarried Catholics and dismantling of the Knights of Malta and they are not likely to budge any time soon:

 

Four cardinals who accuse Francis of being anti-Pope

Left to right, top then bottom: Cardinals Raymond Burke, Joachim Meisner, Walter BrandmŘller and Carlo Caffarra

 

If a Great Schism does result, the prophet offers us no clue as to what exactly happens to Pope Francis: forced retirement, firing from his office (if that is possible), or death. Only that a French pope will be elected. One troubling verse suggests the Pope will die:

 

People watch the new pope's introduction Nostradamus, Quatrain 8.93 ~

Sept mois sans plus obtiendra prelature,
par son deces grand schisme sera naistre:
Sept mois tiendra un autre la preture,
pres de Venise paix union renaistre.

Seven months without further prelature obtained,
Through his death a great schism will arise:
For seven months another acts as prelate,
Near Venice, peace and union are reborn.

 

One can only hope this controversy will simmer and then fade away. If it does not and grows increasingly contentious, the days of Pope Francis are numbered.

But given a potentially dangerous trip by the pope is coming up this spring, a trip to Fatima on the 100th anniversary of The Third Secret, it may well be that the prophecy of The Bishop Dressed in White will be fulfilled.

 

Pope to Mark Fatima Centenary With May 2017 Trip to Portugal

Associated Press | December 15, 2016 12:18 PM

LISBON, PORTUGAL — Pope Francis is to visit the Fatima shrine in Portugal next year on the centenary of the date when three shepherd children said the Virgin Mary first appeared to them above an olive tree, Portuguese officials announced Thursday.

The pontiff will be in the small farming town on May 12 and 13, 2017, the Portuguese president's office announced on its website. The first apparition was May 13, but a midnight Mass and a candlelight procession the previous day usually kick off the annual celebrations.

While the Vatican only confirms papal trips closer to the date, Francis himself has previously said he planned to visit Fatima to mark the anniversary. No further details of the visit were made public.

Francis will be the fourth pope to visit Fatima. The last one was Benedict XVI in 2010, when he also visited the cities of Lisbon and Porto.

Like the shrine at Lourdes, France, Fatima draws huge numbers of visitors - local officials estimate some 6 million - each year. The town is 150 kilometers (90 miles) north of Lisbon.

The Portuguese children said the Virgin Mary appeared to them six times in 1917, between May and October, and confided to them three secrets. The first two foretold the end of World War I and the start of World War II, and the rise and fall of Soviet communism.



Pope Francis cheered by faithful at pediatric hospital in Paul VI hall

In 2000, the Vatican disclosed the long-awaited third secret, describing it as foretelling the 1981 assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II in St. Peter's Square in Rome.

The shooting was on May 13, and John Paul credited the Virgin with saving his life.

The three children were cousins. Two of them, Francisco and Jacinto Marto, died at nine and 11 of pneumonia. The third, Sister Lucia Marto, died in a convent in 2005 at 97.

 

Yes, there have been three other popes who have visited Fatima without a problem, but not on the much-hyped 100th anniversary of the Apparition and the three prophecies. NO, refer back to Pope Francis and the Rose Prophecy ... the details of the Third Secret were never fulfilled by the attempt on Pope John Paul II in 1981. Not even close. It is a prophecy still waiting to happen. And it may happen at Fatima itself.

Of course the most dangerous papal trip ever is finally being contemplated ... a visit to Iraq, "the land between two rivers."

 

Will the pope finally visit Iraq once IS is defeated?

Al-Monitor

December 22, 2016

BAGHDAD — During his visit to the Vatican on Dec. 3, Iraqi Foreign Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari invited Pope Francis to visit Iraq, noting that the best time to visit would be once the Islamic State (IS) is defeated and displaced Christians are returning to their homes.

Other Iraqi officials have brought up such a visit in the past, such as the undersecretary of the Ministry of Health and Environment, Jassim al-Falahi, who told the media in June that “Iraq was preparing for a planned visit by the pope.”

In December 2014, Francis said that he wanted to visit Iraq, but that this was not possible at that time in light of the security situation.

Also in 2014, when Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) President Massoud Barzani visited Francis, he noted that the pope had agreed to visit the KRG, given the large number of displaced Christians it hosts.

Ahmad Jamal, a spokesman for the Iraqi Foreign Ministry, told Al-Monitor over the phone, “Pope Francis is invited to visit Iraq, and we reiterate this invitation at every opportunity we get when meeting Vatican officials. The pope has not once rejected our invitation, and he will visit us at the earliest appropriate opportunity.”

He added, “The pope’s visit would reflect the Vatican’s support in urging the international community to help Iraq eliminate the terrorism that killed many and forced others into displacement, especially the Christians of Mosul, which had been occupied by IS since June 2014. Iraq hopes the Vatican will set a date for the visit as soon as possible, and the Iraqi Foreign Ministry will continue its efforts to make this visit happen.”

A spokesman for the prime minister’s office, Saad al-Hadithi, told Al-Monitor, “The government is looking forward to the pope's visiting Iraq soon because it would deepen the relationship between Iraq and the Vatican on the one hand, and would be a great support for Iraq’s war against IS on the other.”

This visit has yet to be set, despite many invitations by several officials over the years, including Chaldean Patriarch Mar Louis Raphael I Sako, who said in November 2011, “We really wish our beloved Pope Francis would visit Iraq.”

The situation in Iraq and the Middle East has captured the attention of religious authorities at the Vatican; this is particularly the case as a result of the acts of violence that have affected the Christians since 2003 in Iraq.

The Vatican expressed opposition to the first Gulf War that followed the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Pope Saint John Paul II wrote a letter to then-President Saddam Hussein in 1991, urging him to “take courageous steps to withdraw from Kuwait.”

The Vatican’s interest in Iraq mainly focused on the historic city of Ur in the southern Dhi Qar province, where Prophet Abraham was born, according to the Bible.

In February 2011, news surfaced about a potential visit to Ur by Pope Benedict XVI, and the Ministry of Tourism approached parliament to ensure the success of preparations for this visit.

In November 2013, Iraq and the Vatican agreed on the need to build advanced relations of mutual respect in order to confront the common challenges posed by extremism and terrorism.



ISIS threatens Pope Francis will be the last

Although the pope has not yet visited Iraq, a delegation from the Vatican held Mass on Dec.14, 2013, in the city of Ur, headed by Monsignor Andreatta, the head of the Vatican pilgrimage organization, during which he called on people to perform a pilgrimage to the ancient city of Ur.

On Nov. 23, Francis prayed for the Iraqi people suffering under war and expressed his hope that peace would prevail. “I voice my solidarity with the people and Iraq and the residents of Mosul in particular,” he said. IS invaded Mosul in June 2014 and has controlled it ever since, resulting in the displacement of its residents, particularly Christians.

On Nov. 17, Francis brought up the Christian “martyrs” in Iraq and Syria who have remained faithful and sacrificed their lives for their religion.

The relationship between Iraq and the Vatican is heading toward further cooperation. The new papal ambassador in Iraq, Alberto Ortega Martin, met with Iraqi President Fuad Masum on Nov. 19, 2015, and called for reopening Christian schools in Iraq.

Meanwhile, a member of Dhi Qar’s provincial council, Dakhel Radi, told Al-Monitor, “If Pope Francis visits the city of Ur, it will most definitely turn into an international tourist attraction, especially after IS’ imminent defeat and its elimination from Iraq.”

Journalist Walid al-Tai told Al-Monitor, “The people of Dhi Qar hope the pope's visit can finally happen because it would give the impression that Iraq is a safe country, and thus Christians from all over the world could visit the city of Ur, without having any security concerns, in light of the prevailing terrorism in several [other] countries in the Middle East.”

 

There will always be terrorism and terrorists, I think, until the end of time ... even if Nostradamus is right and that end does not come until 2242-43 AD. If ISIS is destroyed, there will always be surviving members ready to carry out revenge and form new terrorist organizations. Al Qaeda can always return to Iraq in a new and deadlier form than Islamic State. I really doubt it will ever be safe for a Pope to enter in to this country, but if one ever does and comes out of it alive it will be a miracle.

 

ISIS TAKES TERROR TO CATHOLIC CHURCH IN FRANCE; POPE FRANCIS HORRIFIED BY MURDER OF PRIEST

Pope Francis horrified by murder of French priest and injured nun

ISIS once again returns to the news as an agency dedicated to the destruction of the Catholic Church, the Pope, and all of Chistendom. Wholesale terrorist shootings and bombings in European cities have now focused on the Church itself, its priests, nuns, and worshippers. Reportedly, the men forced Father Jacques Hamel to kneel before slitting his throat and filming it. Pope Francis, on the eve of a papal visit to Poland, was only one country away from this slaughter. What will happen when this terror makes its way to Italy and to the Vatican?

Pope Francis Is Horrified After ‘Barbarous’ Killing Of French Priest -- France’s Catholic church is reeling after an attack that targeted a church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray on Tuesday

July 26, 2016 (Huffington Post): Pope Francis has denounced the brutal attack that shattered the sacred stillness of a morning mass at a French Catholic church on Tuesday and left an elderly French priest dead. The two assailants, who claimed allegiance to the so-called Islamic State, had targeted a church in the Normandy town of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray. The attackers reportedly slit the throat of a priest in his mid-80s named Rev. Jacques Hamel. Two nuns and two worshippers were also taken hostage, one of whom was seriously wounded. The attackers were later shot dead by police.

Rev. Jacques Hamel was killed during a Mass at a French Catholic churchSteeple of the Saint-Etienne church of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray

Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi called the attack “barbarous” and said that the Pope is praying for the families, the parish, and the diocese of Rouen, where the attack took place. Lombardi said that the pope was particularly shocked that the violence took place in a church, which is supposed to be a place where “God’s love is announced.” According to Vatican Radio, “The Pope shares the pain and the horror caused by this absurd violence and expresses firm condemnation of every form of hatred and prays for the victims.”.


Krakow is a city watered by only one river ... a city frequently visited by Pope John Paul II.

Nevertheless, this murder and abduction in a French Catholic church is potentially portentious.

Just as the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II did not comform to the details found in the two rivers/rose prophecy or the Third Secret of Fatima, there is no assurance an attempt cannot be made anywhere in the world against the current pope ... especially as 2016 and 2017 are base 7 anniversaries of the two attempts on John Paul in 1981 and 1982.

It is the latter year that is especially worrisome, as Francis will be traveling to Fatima, Portugal next year.

As reminder of what the base 7 system may hold for the following year, a second attempt on Pope John Paul II's life occurred in May 1982 when he was attacked by a knife-wielding priest. This brings us to the month and year of May 2017.

There are other dangers to the papacy and to Francis himself that are not going to vanish any time soon.

I have stated before several times since Francis was voted in as Pope to replace the retired Benedict XVI the danger posed to him by Muslim terrorists and later by ISIS. His declaration of war on the Islamic State likely will work both ways:

 

POPE FRANCIS SAYS MILITARY ACTION AGAINST ISLAMIC STATE IS "LICIT"; PLANS FUTURE TRIP TO IRAQ

Pope Francis: "The international community is compelled to act."The Islamic State is committing acts of genocide

The Holy Father has been facing a grave challenge. He declared as "licit" all and any military action against the Islamic State that has carved out a caliphate the size of Belgium in both Iraq and Syria. His remarks fell short of an actual call for war, but did recognize that the appropriate conditions were met for military action to be taken and considered as just and as a legitimate means to end the genocide being committed by ISIS. That war came very close to becoming World War III when Russia got involved.

There have been two chilling developments related to this:

1) Reports that the Islamic State (ISIS or ISIL) is planning an assassination of the Pope:

 

Islamic State: Pope is 'being targeted by Isis', Iraqi ambassador to the Holy See warns - September 16, 2014.

Pope Francis may be targeted by ISIS

The Islamic State (Isis) is intent on killing the Pope, the Iraqi ambassador to the Holy See has warned the Vatican. Habeeb Al-Sadr, who has been the ambassador since 2010, has advised that one of Isis’ goals is to assassinate the Pontiff and warned that the jihadists “don’t just threaten”, according to Italian newspaper La Nazione ... "What has been declared by the self-proclaimed Islamic State is clear – they want to kill the Pope," he told La Nazione on Tuesday, adding: "The threats against the Pope are credible." The threat against Pope Francis, 77, was widely discussed earlier this year after he had endorsed the ‘stopping’ of Isis and its persecution of 40,000 Christians in northern Iraq. It was reported in August that security in Rome had been heightened after Israeli officials warned that the Pope’s censure of Isis had led the militants to target him ... Mr Al-Sadr, however, said an assault against the Pope won’t necessarily happen in an Arab or Muslim-majority country, considering that some Isis fighters are from Britain, France and America. He said the militants "have Western passports. Isis could send these fighters to commit a terrorist act in Europe," warning that the Pope should be protected wherever he goes.

Report: Pope Francis Is ‘In The Crosshairs Of ISIS’ - August 29, 2014.
Italy Steps Up Security Over Alleged ISIS Plot to Kill The Pope - August 28, 2014.

 

Important to note: the Pope need not visit "an Arab or Muslim-majority country" to be targeted by ISIS. If terrorists could strike in Boston, then they certainly can attack the Pope in Yerevan or Fatima.

 

2) However, it remains a possibility that Pope Francis will yet visit Iraq:

 

A visit by the Pope to Iraq is possible, says Archbishop of Erbil - May 1, 2015.

It would be possible for the Pope to visit Iraq, Chaldean Archbishop Bashar Warda of Erbil has said. In an interview with the charity Aid to the Church in Need, he said: “I spoke to His Holiness in person last November and told him that we would be delighted to welcome him in Erbil. He replied that he would be pleased to come, but that his staff would not allow him to at present.” Archbishop Warda emphasised that he himself believed such a visit was possible. “But it will take a little time,” he added.

The archbishop, in whose diocese tens of thousands of Christian refugees have sought refuge, estimated that it will still be several months, however, before the areas occupied by ISIS in Mosul and on the nearby Niniveh Plain can be liberated. He said: “Should signs emerge of the recapture of the Christian towns and villages occupied by ISIS, this would fill the Christian refugees with great hope and encourage them to stay.” Last summer, more than 125,000 Christians fled from Mosul and the Niniveh Plain ahead of the advancing Islamic State (ISIS) terrorist militia. The archbishop said: “Our people feel neglected. They have the impression that there are regions with greater strategic importance for the Iraqi government than the Niniveh Plain.”

 

While a specific statement that Francis may consider visiting either Syria or Iraq has yet to occur, it is possible that he may have to go there in the near future:

 

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that Pope Francis might be able to exert diplomatic pressure to help bring peace to Syria, Iraq and other areas of conflict when he visits the United Nations next week. Speculation has been heightened after reports he will meet Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose country holds the rotating presidency of the U.N. Security Council this month. Russia has close connections with Syrian President Bashar Al Assad and Putin reportedly wishes to take a central role in trying to form coalition of Western and Arab countries, including Syria’s Assad regime, against the Islamist terrorist network, ISIS. The Pope may also use the meeting to urge Putin to help bring peace in Ukraine, something he did when the two leaders last met in June ... Exactly how he and his Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, might lead any peace talks is not clear, but it would be consistent with his desire that the Pope build bridges between nations and broker international agreements, as was most recently seen when he mediated to help restore U.S.-Cuba diplomatic relations.

 

Should Pope Francis, or any future pope, choose to venture into the Mesopotamian "land between two rivers," then I must revert to the original premise of the main page when it was created in May 1999 to warn the late Pope John Paul II of possible assassination if he visited Iraq. At that time, my website was located at the now long gone web host known as GeoCities.

 

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