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Pope and Muslim ambassadors meeting

----- Original Message -----
From: mark cane
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 3:21 PM
Subject: Pope and Muslim ambassadors meeting

Michael

I continue to read your site with great interest. Just two decades back the threat from the Soviet Union seemed unending. Here we are in a new era, with our attention on Islamic fanaticism. Our prophet, Nostradamus foresaw the end of Soviet communism. He also revealed the dangers of Islam, though obscurely.

The recent Islamic rage over the Pope's speech has prompted an offer to meet with Islamic ambassadors in the Pope's summer residence in Castel Gandolfo on September 25th.

An association with key words and phrases in our prophet's quatrains may reveal a possible connection with the impending meeting.

V.46
Quarrels and new schisms by the red hats,
When one will have been elected, the Sabine:
They will produce great sophisms against him,
And Rome will be injured by those of Alba.

Pope Benedict is recently elected. The Islamics are producing great arguments, quarrels and schisms over the Pope's remarks. The Pope's summer residence is in Castel Gandolfo. The modern city is built on the ancient site of ALBA Longo, Capital of the SABINE League.

The prophecies as so vague as to make it difficult to interpret fulfillment in advance. It just seems the Pope's stay at the summer residence may be indicated as a time of danger, and thus increased vigilance.

Best regards,

Mark

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Hi Mark,

I am familiar with this quatrain and have a somewhat different view of it.

Actually, when I read line 2, it very much looks like Nostradamus is saying that the "elected" pope will be a "Sabine": the Sabines were an Italian tribe from northwestern Italy, one of the various tribes that helped settle the Roman empire.

At first glance, I suppose this might not sound particularly revelatory. Most popes were Italian until Pope John Paul II. However, the prophecy specifies what part of Italy he will come from, and, what is more important, helps identify one of a small number of popes remaining until the complete collapse of the Church another 150 years from now. With popes from Poland (JPII, now deceased), Germany (Benedict XVI), and possibly two from France, I think Nostradamus wanted us to know that what is described in the quatrain will happen when an Italian is once again pope.

I also believe that the last line is about an Albanian invasion. It makes sence that a joint Russian-Islamic invasion of Europe might wish to use European Muslims that are in close proximity to Italy to aid in its conquest. Actually what Islamic nation is closest to Italy than ALBANIA? The Albanians, as well as the Kosovar, Presevar, and other Albanians from Serbia and Macedonia, are largely Muslim. Nostradamus also mentions Dalmatia in another quatrain as a base of operations, which is an oblast of Croatia in the Adriatic Sea. Apparently missile attacks will be launched against Rome from Croatia. Who would do that? Right next door to Croatia is Bosnia, a nation of Bosniak Muslims. The Bosniaks, in a new Balkans war, may one day overrun Croatia, and prepare it as a base for Iranian and Arab actions against Italy, whilst the Albanians from Albania, Serbia, and Macedonia actually launch attacks inside Italy.

I also do not think Nostradamus would use both Sabine and Alba in the manner he does if they are to refer to the same thing, unless a Sabine (NW Italian) pope is injured by his own league (The Sabines of Alba Longo). That would remove any Islamic element and simply portend a new schism in the Church when the Holy See is occupied once again by an Italian.

Having said that, there is still a possibility you may be right about some sort of diplomatic injury (or real injury) to the Papacy by Islamics at Castello Gandolfo, formerly Alba Longo (that is if the ambassadors don't turn down the Pope's invitation to meet there). However, there still must be division in the ranks of the Vatican heirarchy first (quarrels, schisms, sophisms) since the "red hats" are obviously the cardinals. Thus far, there has been no sign of quarreling amongst those in the Vatican. And only two days remain until September 25 for such internal discord to be aroused (unless the schism happens on the same day the Muslims injure Rome).

However, if this does happen, new schisms form, the Vatican sets to quarelling, and some sort of diplomatic or real injury to the Papacy occurs at Castello Gandalfo by Islamic ambassadors or radicals, I will still consider Nostradamus to be in error about line 2, because that is definitely a line identifying the nationality of one of the latter days popes as a Sabinois (NW Italy).

Also, another quatrain says this same pope who is plagued by the Albanois will only reign seven months and then die tragically. Benedict XVI has reigned sixteen months, more than twice as long.

Still, like the Mabus quatrain, which I believe has been partially fulfilled twice already, this year and in 2001, the quatrain you present could likewise be partially fulfilled in two days time (injurious discussions at Castello Gandolfo, but no schisms amongst the cardinals, or everything in the quatrain being fulfilled but the pope's true nationality).

But the day will come when it shall be entirely fulfilled in the worst possible way: an Albanian attack on Italy during the European phase of WW3 (or WW4) when the Church is schismatic and an Italian from NW Italy is pope.

This trouble with Benedict XVI and the Muslims is a perplexing one for those of us who understand prophecy. The outbreak of animosity of Muslims against the power centre of Christianity, Rome, is not surprising. It is to be expected according to most relevent prophecies. Unfortunately, none of the specific prophecies at our perusal conforms to anything that is being planned or is happening. Perhaps, in a convoluted way, 5.46, the quatrain you have presented, may be one that will, at least partially anyway.

But many people believe the Pope is going to be murdered. I have to confess that I find that an irresistable conclusion as well. As it is, according to my base 7 system, there is incredible danger to the pope between August and November 2006, and that prediction has been on my site for quite a while. Yet, he is not going to be visiting a city in Turkey noted for being watered by two rivers (neither Istanbul nor Ankara are watered by TWO rivers). Nor is he to be hiking up any holy mountains at Ephesus in search of a notable corkwood cross at the top (ruins of the temple of Diana he may find though). If he is killed at Castello Gandolfo on September 25 that could be applied to the quatrain of a great pope who dies in Rome (which most believe was Pope John Paul II). The problem with it having been JPII or it being Benedict XVI is that there also must be a naked eye comet visible near Ursa Minor. There was none last year, and despite all the hype concerning Comet 73P (Schwassmann-Wachmann) this year, it was not seen by hardly anyone save through a telescope or, in some lucky cases, binoculars. 2002's Comet Ikeya-Zhang was much brighter than 73P, and for a much longer period of time, yet a lot of people, including myself, couldn't even see that. As things stand for the average person, the last truly visible naked eye comets remain Hale-Bopp in 1997 and Hyakutake in 1996. For the Aussies and New Zealanders it was Linear A2 in 2001.

Maybe the problem is that everyone is rushing things. Just because the Muslim world has become outraged at the pope and some Al Qaeda have discussed killing him doesn't mean death for the pope is imminent. It may take six months, a year, or longer before the right conditions occur that will also conform to prophecy.

Nevertheless, in the meantime, I will be interested in what happens on Monday.

Mike

Benedict in Istanbul

----- Original Message -----
From: DW
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:28 AM
Subject: Benedict in Istanbul

Benedict is due to visit Istanbul later this year. He is of course now hated in the muslim world for his reference in a speech that Islam is spread by violence.

Istanbul is in a part of Turkey renowned for its roses, rose oil and fragrances.

Istanbul is also at the confluence of the Bosphorous connecting it to the Black Sea and the Dardanelles that connect the Sea of Mamara to the Aegean. True these are not rivers but they have the imagery of rivers.

If you have been to Istanbul there are old Byzantine ruins scattered around including the old city walls - indeed a half ruined city.

Perhaps Benedict should cancel his trip to Istanbul.

DW

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Hi DW,

The moment this all began, I wondered about the Pope's trip to Turkey and if it in any way could be linked with Quatrain 2.97 or with the Third Secret of Fatima.

By the way, he is also supposed to visit two other places during his visit: Ankara and the ancient city of Ephesus. You might know something about either of these beyond anything I found out. If so, let me know.

Unfortunately, when Nostradamus says the city will be "watered by two rivers" I doubt he could have mistook the Dardanelles strait or the Black Sea for rivers.

Truly, Istanbul is only "watered" (and divided) by the Bosphorus River.

Nostradamus had an excellent model for a city watered by two rivers in his own country: Paris. Also, Rome itself is watered by two rivers. Technically, with all my warnings about Baghdad, it is not really watered by two rivers either. Only the Tigris runs through the city. However, because of Iraq's renown as the "land between two rivers," I felt that one should consider the potential double meaning in the last line in that singular case.

Yes, Nostradamus could have made a mistake in perception, but I don't think so.

As for the ruins, I thought of those too. But there is more: in this city of ruins the pope steps over the corpses of many slain people and blesses them. Istanbul is not currently littered with bodies on its streets. War has not touched it, although terrorism has.

Perhaps he will visit Istanbul at a time when terrorists strike in the heart of the city?

But then, he would also be on his way to a steep, holy mountain after passing through Istanbul, one with a notable cross at the top, and I don't know what that would be. Not Ephesus.

It really feels as though we are forcing both the Nostradamus quatrain and the Third Secret of Fatima to get them to correspond to Istanbul. But perhaps one of them might work with Ankara? Are there two rivers watering that city?

The two rivers do not have to be large and famous, they need only be rivers to qualify.

Of course, Pope John Paul II visited Turkey and nothing happened (but he was not under a threat of death either).

Perhaps the reason this is just not working out is because, perhaps, the Vatican will call off the pope's trip.

There are other quatrains regarding the Vatican and Turkey, but they portend danger for an important cardinal being taken hostage and about a delegation of cardinals running into a crisis enroute to Turkey. Nothing really about the pope, though.

The Pope need not travel to Turkey to die, in any event. He could die or be killed right in Rome for that matter, especially if there is a comet visible.

At the moment, however, I think it would be simply common sence, under the current circumstances, if the Pope called off the trip to Turkey himself.

Mike

Pope Benedict the Last Pope?

----- Original Message -----
From: kris
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Correction

Hi mike,

i saw on your second home page today, that islamic extremists want to punish the pope for his muslim views. About a week ago i watched another one of the history channel's programs about prophecies. You know the prophecy of 111 popes. Well it seems that the 111th pope might be the last or the second to last pope: Pope Benedict.

"Saint Malachy

Talking about Joseph Ratzinger the new pope, St Malachy as we all know (!), prophesied that he is the penultimate pope:

No 111 - Gloria Olivae (The Glory Of The Olive).

According to Malachy, after Ratzinger (now known as Benedict XVI), there is only supposed to be one more Pope before 'The terrible judge will judge his people' - or Armageddon, doomsday, judgement day etc.

Well, the way the world is going, this isn't too hard to believe unfortunately. However, there is much evidence that St Malachy only actually predicted 111 Popes in total. It's possible the 112th Pope was bolted on after the 1820 publication of Malachy's writings. (This could be for any number of reasons....)

If this is true, then the new German Pope Ratzinger could well be the last Pope before all these fun and games are over."

It fits the description of the 3 secret of fatima. Mike i think this is indeed the last pope. After all if the vision of the 111 popes and the the third secret of fatima, share a common end to the circumstances and demise of the catholic church. It is a part of the coming of the antichrist to world war table. And i think we both agree that the 3rd anitcrist as a person will emerge from the middle east. This antichrist, will drive out the forces (us and colonial) of the midle east. invade eastern europe, until the violence has spread in europe, the war will not begin. But Russia allied with Iran are on a page further than the world is, when it comes to planning. When the misery of the war spreads to the balkans, then this will be the confontation between the east and the west, yet once again. World war 3 will emerge from where world war 2 ended. What's for sure is that all world wars have started in europe, coinicidence? Can you imagine the religious effect on christian catholics if the catholic , vatican is destroyed. What i think, is that the vatican and the catholic church already know that the beggining of the end is near for them. This is the start of a new millenium, a new age, a new religion, and there is no room for the superstitions, lies, and trickery that exists today. This upcoming battle will be in the nature of good vs evil. If you will the froces of light against darkness. However angels will not fight the war but we will.

What however may be more important is if there is a conspiracy in the vatican, and even above those men. I do not doubt for a second that the vatican is intermingled with the world elite. They have been infact for a long while. The religion of the catholic itself is a blasphemy to more orthodox believers. What I am saying is that, the catholic vaticans probably know that they don't have much time left. I am sure they are very afraid of the St Malachy prophecy as well. I also believed that the end of the present age (before ww3) is carefully calculated by the world elite. I believe the wars today, economic faults, and diseases are all enginnered as a part of a plan to elimnate 'useless' lives. In fact, they must have been engineered for a long time. What is most important however, is that the Elite know about Nibiru, and it's impending encounter with earth. I believe these rulers of our planet if you want to call them, have already prepared and are waiting for the planet's arrival. This is the presentation of the big show. Not only will nature punish us but the power greedy rulers we have on earth today will help with the elimination of human lives.

time will tell
But one thing's for sure. History repeats itself.

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Hi Kris,

Unfortunately, by embracing Malachy's list of 111, and concluding that Benedict XVI is indeed the 111th and last for all time, you ignore all of Nostradamus' prophecies concerning some 10 future popes (for future is what they must be since they bear no resemblance to past popes).

If Benedict is killed or dies, and there are no more popes, then what happens to the "great Pontiff" who is supposed to support the "great Monarch" from France after World War III? This is not merely a prophecy found in Nostradamus ... it appears in hundreds, maybe thousands, of prophecies from Europe since the time of Merlin (and even before that).

What happens to the Sabine pope (northwestern Italy) who must die in Rome during Albanian attacks on Italy? What happens to the pope "from ancient France" who wins an election against a candidate from Spain (or Central or South America)? I won't list the others, you know you can find them all discussed on Nostradamus NOW Archives 1 at http://www.newprophecy.net/now2.htm.

I mentioned before that the Catholic Church included ten antipopes in Malachy's list of popes. Malachy didn't authorise this to be done. He couldn't since he was dead. The Church took it upon itself to include the antipopes in his list of 111.

Why would they do such a thing? Really it is hypocritical.

On the one hand the Catholic Church brands ten men as "antipopes" because they do not recognise them as legitimate popes. That is what is means to be an antipope. It does not mean that antipopes are "evil popes," it simply means they are men with a smaller following than the actual reigning pope claiming to be pope without the authority to do so. These antipopes often reign at the same time as legitimate popes or reign temporarily during a schism in the Church (again without authority).

So, again, on the one hand the Catholic Church brands ten men after Malachy's death as "antipopes" because they do not recognise them as legitimate popes.

Then, on the other hand, they add these ten illegitimate antipopes to Malachy's list of 111 popes.

Why? Certainly not because Malachy wanted it that way.

I think they did it to assure that by the end of the millenium, by the year 2000, there would be close to 111 popes having reigned. The Catholic Church has always insisted that the end of the world would come as early as the second half of the 20th Century or at least by 2000.

Think about that, and think about all the Nostradamus prophecies of popes who have not yet reigned, including the "great Pontiff" that many many prophets also have predicted will follow World War III.

If I have a choice, I'll go with Nostradamus over Malachy.

Yes, it is true: as far as we and 2/3 of humanity are concerned, World War III and the catastrophes that Nibiru will bring may as well be the end of the world.

However, no European prophet declares World War III will be Armageddon. Most prophets of the last 1800 years say there will be less people on the planet and that they will rebuild and that a new Church age will begin. The true antichrist (the beast of Revelation), Armageddon, and the Second Coming are still farther away in the future. It is why if you read any prophecy about World War III (or invasion of Europe by the East), that in the aftermath you have 1) a period of mob rule, continued war, and revolution in Spain, France, and Italy 2) the rise to power of the great Monarch and great Pontiff, both from France 3) and finally a great peace where the Church is once again in its pristine power.

Most prophecies "trail off" there, but some continue on for a considerable length before the Antichrist (beast) arrives ...

Don't confuse Nostradamus' "third antichrist" with the Bible's "the beast," they are not the same thing.

Where is the "third antichrist" in the Bible? Although he is not called "the third antichrist", he is the same person who appears as the conqueror on a white horse whose entire purpose is to conquer and destroy at the beginning of the Book of Revelation (the first oif the four horsemen, which is to say the first seal). He is also the Persian conqueror that appears at the beginning of Daniel's long prophecy of the future in his Chapter 11. He is also discussed in Daniel's Chapter 8.

I know it is difficult to believe, but the world will become a much worse place AND a much better place than it is now ... and that switchover between the two will continue for another 236 years finally ending the way the Bible says it shall.

Mike

Pope Benedict's remarks

----- Original Message -----
From: Zachary
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Pope Benedict's remarks

Dear Mike,

Do you think the Pope's comment about Islam that he made in Germany is the begginning of the fufillment of Quatrain 2.97.

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Hi Zachary,

It may or may not be.

I checked out Turkey, where he is to visit November 28-December 1, and neither Istanbul, Ankara, nor ancient Ephesus (the three cities he will be visiting) are "watered by two rivers" or even situated between two rivers.

Turkey will one day be a deadly place for a major cardinal, and for a group of cardinals as well, according to Nostradamus, but no mention of the Pope being in danger there.

The time of the Rose (if late spring and early summer are intended) is virtually over as we approach autumn on September 21. By the time of the late November trip, it will definitely be long past the time of the Rose. However, if "The Rose" means a resurgent interest in or focus on the late Princess Diana, moreover an actual worshipping of Diana, that is an event that could still happen at anytime, even late November.

I would also point out that the Pope will be visiting ancient Ephesus whilst in Turkey, which contain the ruins of the Temple of Diana, the pagan goddess (and I believe a day will come when the ancient goddess Diana and the late princess Diana will become regarded as the same personage).

Otherwise, I would say Quatrain 2.97 can only apply to the current Pope if he visits a city watered by two rivers during late spring or early summer of 2007 if Muslim hatred for him is still running high.

Could the Pope be killed in Turkey even if Nostradamus didn't predict it?

Certainly.

My base 7 prediction shows danger of death for the current pope during August-October 2006 on page 2006 (Part Two). Late November 2006 is close enough to that vector.

And, of course, he need not go to Turkey for it to happen during the current August-October 2006 period. It could happen right in Rome itself.

Mike

Some Research

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:15 PM
Subject: Some Research

Dear Mr. Mcclellan,

I enjoy your site for a few years. I'm interested in a lot of prophecy and stuff like that. I have some comments with reserch I do for at least for myself.

I think Quatrain 2.97 is about what happened already with Pius VI and Napolean.

Roman Pontiff beware of your approaching,
Of the city where two rivers water,
Your blood you will come to spit in that place,
Both you and yours when blooms the Rose.

Also on your theory that St. Malachy didn't recognize John Paul I. If St. Malachy talked about the anti-popes (I know you don't think Malachy talked about them either) he forgot about anti-pope innocent III (1179-1180). He had a short reign, so St. Malachy could have skipped him just as much as John Paul I.

I read in one of the emails you talked about not knowing of a nephew of a pope. Well I read that the true Pope Innocent III was nephew of Pope Clement III, Innocent III had a nephew, Pope Gregory IX. Gregory's nephew, Pope Alexander IV. I understand that some of these popes were before Nostradamus, but I still found it interesting.

Thanks and keep it up.

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Hi Joseph,

The big problem I have with the idea that the death of Pius at Valence in 1799 pertains to Quatrain 2.97 is the wording in line 4. I know it may sound like a small thing, but it yields larger questions. The wording "both you and yours."

Pius was the ONLY one to die bleeding from the mouth (from gastric enteritis). Where are the others who would likewise die with him in the same fashion? It does say "Both you and yours." "Yours" suggests that other people will be with the pope and meet the same fate. Pius died alone.

Now, this little phrase yields a larger picture when we look at the prophecy in The Third Secret of Fatima. There we are presented with a scenario where the Pope AND his fellow clergymen and clergywomen (bishops, priests, nuns, etc) are all murdered under a hail of bullets by soldiers.

Contrary to what was said when the secret was released in 2000, this prophecy has never been fulfilled. Pope John Paul II was the only one wounded (and not killed). No other priests, bishops, nuns, officers, etc who were with him were also shot.

So, we have two similar prophecies, neither of which were fulfilled to the letter. Only Pius died at Valence, no one else (as indicated by "both you and yours"). Only John Paul II was shot, no one else (as indicated by mention in the Third Secret of many others following along with the Pope also being shot).

Thanks for the additional information. I didn't know about the extra antipope nor the nephews. But I must ask of these nephews: were any murdered?? This is what Nostradamus says shall happen: that the nephew of "the great Pontiff" will be clubbed to death by a band of cardinals led by one who will become a pope.

Intruiging stuff, eh?

Thanks for visiting my site and for your support.

Mike

The Antipopes

----- Original Message -----
From: kris
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Air assault

Hi Mike,

I am just watching about the 3 secrets of Fatima, and wonder how are they so accurate and detailed, about the 2nd W.W.

The 3 rd secret however is no secret at all. It's obvius that it's about the last vatican pope. You already know that. However, i think that you doubt yourself wrongly if you dismiss the Anti-popes who lived in in the 13th 14th century period. They are the ones included in the prophecy! Why?

It's the only logical explanation. If God, indeed gave an accurate vision to this prophecy, he must have foreseen all of time (which includes the wicked, heretic, and autonomous popes through the centuries. This is the whole point of the popes.. Just because the pope is corrupted by evil doesn't mean that he is not to be counted in the prophecy, indeed, we are hinted that today, At the End Times, the last Pope will fall under the power of evil, it's what the prophecy is all about!

God has shortened the second Coming pf Christ and his Angels. It has already started! You're not going to see Jesus or any angels descend from the skies however. Jesus and his angels, have already descended into the bodies of the faithful, and they will be the ones, who will start the new world, after Satan is defeated.

Churches today gather the sheep to preach on them when Jesus will return??? This is rubbish! Jesus has always been with us, he is with the faithful, he is the Holy Spirit of God. Not a magical fairie, or Alien or an Angel as people would like to think . No, only kids who watch the disney channel can believe in this.

The truth is much more shocking then we realize, it's all coming together now. Now is not the time to stop feel sorry for ourselves. It is at this time precisely where we have to stop, think, and use the greatest power of the Universe, love, for it, and it it's beings, and remain faithful with the true power of Christ within. Only then will the war stop, and evil be defeated.

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Hi Kris,

It is not over concerns such as "evil" that I have put forth the theory that the antipopes might not have been considered in Malachy's vision.

For one thing, understand that all an "antipope" actually is is a person who is claiming the title of pope, but is not elected or recognised by the majority of the College of Cardinals. He is not "evil." Indeed, he may be a very good man, a better person, perhaps, than the real pope. He is simply ruling without the authority to do so. Often these antipopes reigned at the same time as the legitimate pope.

Malachy foresaw an orderly procession of 112 popes, one man following after the other. But how could this be when there were two, even three, men ruling at the same time? The Catholic Church is responsible for crediting these antipopes as part of the succession, not Malachy. If you look at a list of the popes at the time there were so many antipopes, you will see it was one hell of a mess!

Anyway, at the risk of repeating myself, it is the Catholic Church that has declared that those men who had no legitimate right to reign as pope were "antipopes." So I must ask, why the same Catholic Church that does not recognise the authority of these men allowed each of them to appear in Malachy's list of future popes? It is a contradiction.

My best guess is that the Church knew that if they did not include them, there would be too many popes on the list left yet to reign by the end of the millennium ... and the Church was pushing the idea that the end of the millennium would be the time of the last pope and the Second Coming of Christ.

Yet many early Catholic prophecies contradict this idea as well. St Methodius was one who prophesied the great war that so many later prophets would call the "last war" (what we call World War III, and are likely in at this time). However, in his prophecy, after the great war there would be a peace and the Church would reign supreme once again, only to be followed by another greater war and another Roman emperor (Western leader) ushering in an even larger and greater peace and Church age, followed by a war resulting from the opening of the Gates of North, then a war of Antichrists fighting one another and killing many Christians, followed by the final abomination of the last Antichrist (who St John called "the beast").

Nor was St Methodius alone in this early Christian belief about events after the beginning of the millennium, and I would add that Nostradamus definitely concurs with this same chronology as evidenced in his Epistle to Henry II. I would also say it resembles the events outlined in Daniel's prophecy that is all of his Chapter 11 and the opening verses of his Chapter 12. In later years, after the year 1000 AD, this prophecy of St Methodius and others that shared his view was SEVERELY EDITED or ABRIDGED by "inspired Catholic prophets" so as to portray the great war of the millennium 2000 as the "last war," followed by a seven year peace under a "great monarch" who, dying, will give up his crown in Jerusalem, and is then immediately followed by Antichrist (note that it is a great monarch of France or Germany who reigns seven years, and not the beast whose length of reign is never given in these revised prophecies).

I therefore hold most, but not all, of the Catholic prophecies after 1000 AD highly suspect. The prophecies of St Hildegard, for example, appear to be divinely inspired: there are none other like her prophecies about the Antichrist. I also find the 20th Century European prophets, although somewhat derivative of others since 1000, are too specific and unique to be ignored. You may note that these three in particular, Alois Irlmaier, Erna Steiglitz, and the Seer of Waldviertel (who is still living), see the coming world war as a truly terrible and horrific war, but certainly not Armageddon because they also foresee a HUMAN peace afterwards and a Church age, not the Second Coming of Christ.

But I see from your letter that I have strayed somewhat by discussing the last two paragraphs. The whole point I was trying to make with this discussion is that the Catholic Church has been manipulating divinely insipired prophecy so as to make it fit their view of when end times events shall occur ... and the conventional view since 1000 AD has been that they would begin with the year 2000 AD.

Other prophets do not agree with that view, and neither do I.

Mike

From: Mike
To: kris
Subject: Correction
Date: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:34 PM

Hi again Kris,

Just one correction:

In the last paragraph of my email I just sent, I said the Catholic Church was manipulating when "end times" would begin. I meant to say, they were manipulating when the seven-year "Tribulation" or the very final seven years of the end times would begin (which for them has been 2000 AD or not long after or before).

As for the "end times" themselves I consider that to have the same meaning as "the latter days": a final age of mankind that may be many decades or even a few centuries long. I believe we are either now in these latter days or shall begin them when Iran's Ahmadinejad declares war (he is the conqueror whose sole purpose is to go forth and conquer who appears as the first seal in the Book of Revelation). When the sixth seal is opened, and everyone on earth must behold God's face on the day of His Wrath (I hold that shall be a single day when Planet X shall take on the appearance of God's face), then everyone will know the latter days are truly begun.

Yet, if you continue to read on after the sixth seal's opening, you can tell immediately that there is some distance to travel before the world reaches the "age of the seventh angel": that being the seventh trumpet that sounds after the seventh seal is opened. And all of this precedes by many years the appearance of the woman in Revelation 12, the war in heaven when Satan and his fallen angels are cast upon the earth (they have freedom to move about in space yet), the two witnesses and their rapture, the great earthquake in the Middle East, and the rise of the beast and false prophet.

Mike

My dream symbolizing Pope John Paul II

----- Original Message -----
From: Myra
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:43 AM
Subject: My dream symbolizing Pope John Paul II

It is the one year anniversary of Pope John Paul's death and I am thinking of him. I had a dream 7 days before he was shot in 1981. My dreams are only symbols and I always get them wrong but after the event occurs, It is as plain as a bell.

I walked into a public restroom and saw a television. It said Special Report and then there was a picture of the word John and then Paul and then a gun. I awoke as I do when it is a dream of things to come. The feeling is like when someone you love has just died, very unpleasant.

I called my husband crying and told him that I was very upset because John Lennon has just died and now Paul is going to be shot too. One week later as I watched TV there was a Special Bulletin. They said Pope John Paul has just been shot. I felt so shocked. Now my dream made perfect sense.

But why did I have to dream it?

* * * * *

Hi Myra,

Good question. I know how you feel.

I had all kinds of premonitions, indications from one Nostradamus quatrain, and a system of determining future events based on the number 7, all of which were leading me to the inescapable conclusion that Princess Diana would die, possibly murdered by someone who was French, in August 1997. I didn't know the exact day, but I knew the month and year.

And it happened ... at a time when I was powerless to do anything about it. I couldn't share my fears with anyone, there was no one to share them with. No time for a book. No computer. No experience yet on the Internet. No way to know how to get my concerns conveyed to her.

Now I have a website ... but even when I am right about something important, it doesn't seem to change anything. And I run into more inaccurate predictions now that I am online than I did when no one knew who the hell I was or what I was doing.

Why??

And why did I know so much about what would happen to Diana when I could do nothing about it?

I was in a similar situation, I guess.

Third Secret of Fatima

----- Original Message -----
From: Donna
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:17 PM
Subject: Third Secret of Fatima

Hi Mike,

I'm just a few pages into your website and have been reading about the Third Secret of Fatima and your speculation that the pope/bishops/religious group will be walking through a city partially destroyed by war.

The translation of what Sister Lucia wrote is:

"Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; "

What if the punctuation in the translation is wrong? Punctuated differently it would read: Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark. Before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling. With halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way.

(This way of punctuating it seemed right to me as who "half trembles"? You either are trembling or you aren't.)

This then would seem to suggest a city ruined by earthquake that was still experiencing aftershocks.

Perhaps a large earthquake that killed so many that there were still dead in the streets when the Pope felt compelled to visit....or.....the Pope and the others are already IN the city when the earthquake hits.....

Just thoughts. What do you think?

Donna

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Hi Donna,

It is possible, but that would require that the soldiers who kill the pope and his "bishops, priests, men and women religious" are in the city just by coincidence when the earthquake strikes.

Also, note that a "big city half in ruins" probably has not been attacked by a nuclear weapon, unless it is a metropolis the size of New York or Los Angeles (which by description of the holy mountain and cathedral with cross at top, it cannot be). Also, the Pope and his entourage would be committing suicide walking into a area with lethally-high doses of radiation. Thus, the attack on the city was conventional, possibly half ruined by something like Fuel Air Explosives.

Under those circumstances, invading soldiers may very well be in the city, taking control of the undestroyed portion, rounding up survivors as prisoners of war, and preparing the way for occupation forces that would eventually rebuild the city.

The thing is, the likeliest identity of this city is Avignon in France, based on the peculiar match of the hill called Le Rocher des Doms and the Cathedral Notre Dame des Doms at top. It is the best match I have seen so far to the holy mountain and Cross.

And southern France, including Avignon, will be under military attack when a pope is in hiding there according to Nostradamus, most definitely.

Mike

Eclipse 2017 and 2024

----- Original Message -----
From: David Lynch
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:15 AM
Subject: Eclipse 2017 and 2024

Hello,

The past few years have lead me down a path of discovery.

On that journey, for some reason or another, I have created many peaces of artwork trying to express the vision that has beseiged my mind.

Below is a link to a NASA website that shows two eclipses that cross in the heart of America.. Putting great stress on the New Madrid fault.

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEatlas/SEatlas3/SE2001-25T-2.GIF

I have implimented the image in an art form that I call Montaj..

http://www.lynchphoto.com/forever.html

and

http://www.lynchphoto.com/elohim.html

and

http://www.lynchphoto.com/gold.html

I have created over three terabytes of images and art trying to tell the story that echoes within my mind...

Would you search the work of Nostradamous for the name KnoWell?

I have been using the term Quad Train to teach flow in my work..

http://www.lynchphoto.com/gracz.html

Thank you for your time,
David Noel Lynch

On June 19th 1977, I had a serious car accident in which I had a death experiance... 7 has great significance to me as well..

http://www.lynchphoto.com/god.html

KnoWell, I AM, 3K

* * * * *

Hello Mr Lynch,

Thank you for the links.

The following quatrain may be of interest to you:

Quatrain 8.38

The King of Blois in Avignon reigns,
For another time the people bloodthirsty.
Beside the Rhone his walls he will build,
Fifth of his name and last before Noel.

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but it does have your name, Noel (KnoWell). The "walls" could be montages. It may be a coded message not only for bloodthirst, but for someone dying of thirst in line 1 (not a vinegar [vineyard] for a king BeLowUs or BellowUs).

I, too, was in a serious car crash in December 1977. 21 years later, I fell down a hill and had multiple abrasions.

7 years later, yesterday, I just recovered from the most horrible case of food poisoning (or else flu) I have ever had. It hit me on Thursday, a day before Christmas Eve.

I know all too well, that base 7 works.

Mike

PS If you are the film director, I truly enjoy your films. I also like Sheryl Lee ... alot.

Hi again,

PS 2024 sounds about right for the solar warning before what sounds like the burning of the Whore of Babylon in 2025. Sherlock says that will happen in December 2025.

33% of all land mass will be incinerated by the Antichrist: both Americas and Australia. That will result in 66.6 percent of the earth being left for habitation. His entire logic and reign will be mathematical (man emulating God).

Yes, I see from your first collage you see something along those lines. I won't pretend I understand it all.

Diames may be the Church of Diana? Yes, another click and I see the image of the Madonna, the Eternal feminine personified during the last 2000 years. Time for a new eternal feminine. Nostradamus says Diana worship will come with a happy paganism.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: David Lynch
To: Mike
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: Eclipse 2017 and 2024

Mike,

For another time the people bloodthirsty.

Anytime of war.

The King of Blois in Avignon reigns,

Benedict XVI Reigns in Avignon

Beside the Rhone his walls he will build,

The Rhone River begins high in the Swiss Alps. It winds across Switzerland, goes through Lake Geneva, enters France and after curving through the foothills of the western Alps turns south toward the sea. For over 100 miles, the river follows the valley to finally go through Avignon in Provence, which in one period of history was a papal residence.

Fifth of his name and last before Noel.

1) James Lynch 2) Patrick Lynch 3) Charles Joesph Lynch 4)Charles Joesph Lynch Jr 5) Charles Joesph Lynch III

David Noel Lynch last of the James Lynch branch. All family members having girls.

Enter Nolle or KnoWell

Could 8:38 be a last days for the Pope message?

Nope not the same David Lynch

* * * * *

Hi David,

Sorry about the cryptic layer of meaning I sent along about this quatrain. Based on your own rather cryptic "KnoWell, I AM, 3K" I thought that was what you might want to hear.

My actual interpretation of Q8.38 is apocalyptic in the Biblical sence.

Line one: "the King of Blois" is the beast of Revelation, the Final Antichrist. His reign in Avignon alludes to his overthrow of the final pope (who shall take refuge there) and the casting down of Christianity.

Line two: yet again, the people will be bloodthirsty as they were during the French Reign of Terror and several revolutions yet to come. The three previous times: 1792-93, 2025, and 2150. The bloodlust this time will be directed towards Christians. This will seem like yet "another time" but it will be for the last time.

Line three: the Rhone is indeed the river you mention. The walls (murs) may be actual walls or they can also mean military regiments.

Line four: "Fifth of his name" links to another quatrain where Nostradamus calls the Final Antichrist or beast "a fifth and powerful Hercules."

Noel is actually rendered "the Noel": the Second Coming of Christ. The "king of Blois" shall be "the last" emperor of the West (the beast, in other words) before the Second Coming of Christ.

I do not believe this quatrain will be fulfilled until around the date given by Nostradamus in his Epistle to Henry II and also in several quatrains with astrological datings as AD 2242 or 2243. Quite some time away.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: David Lynch
To: Mike
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Eclipse 2017 and 2024

Mike,

You are most helpful in this.

How does the vision of Malachy fit into the time table. With Gloria Olivae potentially Benedict XVI. Only Peter Roman away from the pope's fall?

I have used my technique of Montaj to capture Century VIII verse 38.

Used the name Nolle as a web link.

http://www.lynchphoto.com/nolle.html

A peace of the "alexio" Montaj...

http://www.lynchphoto.com/alexo.html

What if for just a moment, Nostradamus was talking of me?

http://www.lynchphoto.com/cinq.html

The King, Lee Roy, a popular southern US name.

Bloys, below US, from the Southern US, Atlanta..

I can explain, but I need to get some rest.. I have been making Montaj all night

Thus far, I have written a story that tears at the mind..

I created this Christ Mas day 2005.

http://www.lynchphoto.com/pure.html

Later,
Dave

* * * * *

Hi David,

Some time ago the Catholic Church declared that there may be an indeterminate number of popes between Glory of the Olive and Peter the Roman. I'm not sure of the reasoning, but it has something to do with the way Petrus Romanus is worded compared to the wording of each of the 112 mottos.

Also, to quote from one web site: "Those popes who reigned between Malachy's time and 1590 are described with great accuracy. After 1590, the descriptions become obscure. In many cases devotees of the prophecy have been unable to explain how a particular description could refer to the pope to which it corresponds. Many post-1590 descriptions simply make no sense."

Some authorities have gone so far as to declare Malachy's list of popes a Vatican hoax since it was not "discovered" in the archives until the 16th Century and yet was supposedly written in the 12th Century. None of Malachy's biographers ever have mentioned him making such a prophecy.

If Malachy's prophecy is authentic, I have nevertheless concluded that at least some of the antipopes might not have been included in his list.

For an example of the latter idea, note that Pope Benedict XVI sailed up the Rhine to Cologne in August and preached to the people from a cruise ship. This is more in keeping with the motto "Pastor and Mariner" which was applied to Pope John XXIII (1958-1963). It never really fit Pope John XXIII all that well. It fits Benedict much better.

Also note that many of the efforts to apply "Labours of the Sun" to Pope John Paul II since 1978 seemed forced, save for the solar eclipse that allegedly occurred at his birth (not in Poland, as it turns out, but in the southern hemisphere). It wasn't until his funeral during another solar eclipse that this rather weak idea gained strength, with solar eclipses at both ends of his life.

Nevertheless, Benedict XVI has done more sailing as "Pastor and Mariner" than the man the motto was applied to, who did none. He is scheduled to sail to Turkey some time in 2006 where he may preach again from the ship.

If Benedict XVI is the real "Pastor and Mariner," then there are four more popes until Glory of the Olive, and five until Peter of Rome.

Mike

PS I really doubt Nostradamus was talking about you. You are a gifted artist and intellectual, but still one of many. I wouldn't try to take things farther than that. We have a hard enough time trying to find famous people in the quatrains that one would think he should have foreseen ... and most of them are just not there. Royalty and church leaders made up about 95% of what Nostradamus considered as "celebrity."

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: David Lynch
To: Mike
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: Fwd: "Gloria Olivae" -- the Glory of the Olive

Mike,

You are brilliant. Please pardon me as I wish not to confuse.

Below is a letter that went out to what I think is John Hogue.. No response from him yet. There is a lot to digest...

Included is a letter to the current pope. Regarding how with one hand I will change the course of history for eternity.

Most importantly in the below memo, just after I slap the pope, I explain how in November of 2004, I made a prediction at the Immaculate Conception Shrine in Atlanta to Mont Seinor Henry Gracz regarding a great event in December of 2004.

My fingers were crossed that I was wrong.. Being right, put me here typing this to you.

Started with the astronomical signs.

Like the three bright comets positions on my birthday May 16th 2004.

http://www.lynchphoto.com/poco.html

I was born in 1960 Atlanta Georgia, the year the Fatima letter was to be read.

This peace was made around the time of prediction November 2004..

http://www.lynchphoto.com/elohim.html

I made this peace to mark the passing of the Great Wave event.

http://www.lynchphoto.com/berta.html

I have changed the world. I know it. The world just does not know it.

The KnoWell symbol being the name of GOD, I A M, told me that I am on to something unique.

What Newton did for computation with the Intergral symbol, I will do for comprehention with the KnoWell symbol... If Science can get over the word, GOD..

http://www.lynchphoto.com/god.html

I consider myself dead. This much power shift always has a patsy to take the fall. The Catholic church would not recognise a Christ, even if it hit them on their bell tower.

http://www.lynchphoto.com/carly.html

September 16th 2003, I awakened. Took me 26 years to understand what I was told in my death experiance of June 19th 1977.

http://www.lynchphoto.com/gracz.html

I suggest that we meet..Face to Face. A couple of days. You can look in my eyes, listen to my stories.. Like that of my death experiance.

http://www.lynchphoto.com/lotus.html

Check out my Blogs on MySpace.

http://www.myspace.com/lynchphoto

ADMK: Adam, David, Messiah, KnoWell
Time:
A
-1<0.0<1+ Past
D
-1>0.0<1+ Present
M
-1>0.0>1+ Future.....
K

Thus Nostradamus should have seen me...

Nolle being me, then Peter Roman was Born 2005.12.25
Benedict XVI was at that time notified of my presence.

http://www.lynchphoto.com/suck.html

Nolle not being me, Love the Moment, only one you got.

Later,
David

Your Black Pope Theory might be correct..

----- Original Message -----
From: Ile
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 6:13 PM
Subject: Your Black Pope Theory might be correct..

hi!

Your Black Pope Theory might be correct..
If possible I found some clues?

1. clue:
When the new Pope was announced, the name announced was not Benedictus but Benedicti. Benedicti might refer to benectine order, also known as: "black monks".

here is some facts about benectine order:

"it cannot be denied that the monks often failed to live up to the monastic ideal and sometimes even fell short of the Christian and moral standards. There were failures and scandals in Benedictine history, just as there were declensions from the right path outside the cloister, for monks are, after all, but men."

Check: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02443a.htm


2. clue:
There is no crown in Benedictus Pope's "Coat of Arms"!!
check: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Coabxvi.png
or: http://www.erzbistum-muenchen.de/archiv/iMA011/iMA01116001.JPG


This could mean symbolically, that current pope is somehow "unholy".

(There is also Vatican's official explanation for symbolism in
http://212.77.1.245/holy_father/benedict_xvi/elezione/stemma-benedict-xvi_en.html)

..ile


****
p.s. Are they "forced to drink water poisoned by sulfur" in that China city "Harbin" near Russian border??? from your web page now3.htm:

"Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains:
It will be seized and plunged into a boiling cauldron,
Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur."

Surely the city is "seized" and "boiling" (Cauldron is also "situation of great distress" and comes from French language). Harbin is near mountaneous area, and "hollow mountains" could mean just mountains which haves a lot of caves.

* * * * *

Hi Ile,

One thing I could not help but notice in the Pope's coat-of-arms was the likeness of the Ethiopian (or whatever African national) wearing a crown. With the thick red lips, this is the way blacks were portrayed in cartoons 100 years ago. Thus, there is a black monarch wearing a crown on the shield! Having this "royal black" in his coat-of-arms would reinforce the idea that XVI Benedicti is indeed "the black pope."

As for the unholy part, I'm not sure.

I would add, that I am not even sure the Vatican is trying to promote him as Glory of the Olive anymore. He recently sailed up the Rhine in Germany and met members of his flock along the banks. This image is strange and very powerful ... this would make him much more "Pastor and Mariner" than John XXIII ever was.

That, in turn, may strengthen my argument that the antipopes, or at least most of them, were not counted as "popes" in the list of Malachy!

I see that Harbin is a very large city of 3.8 million people ... and very modern with high rise condos and skyscrapers, etc. So the "hollow mountains" can apply here to the city buildings, just as with Tokyo, Sydney, LA, or New York. Also, Harbin is very "new" city because it was founded in 1898: 340 years after Nostradamus wrote the quatrain you quoted. Not only that, but it has a bit of Europe mixed into the culture, religion, and architecture. So, it is tempting to think perhaps the quatrain applies.

However, it is not "Garden of the world" or near any place considered "garden of the world." Indeed, it is instead called "China's Ice Capital."

Also, benzene is the chemical involved, not sulphur. Indeed, we cannot find sulphur as either a component or byproduct of benzene.

It's a tough call, all the same. I have read that a second chemical explosion has now occurred which will poison more cities in the region, not to mention East Russia. Maybe sulphur this time?

No one ever considered the possibility that this quatrain might be fulfilled by a manmade and accidental catastrophe like a chemical spill or explosion. Everyone has always thought in terms of nuclear weapons if manmade or volcanic eruptions/ asteroid impacts if "natural."

I won't rule it out that this quatrain might apply, but "Garden of the world" still best applies to New Jersey, the Garden State, right next to New York City ... and benzene is not sulphur by a long shot.

But I will concede that "new cities" need not all be in the "New World" -- they can also be anywhere in the Pacific Rim of Asia.

Perhaps this is a repetitive quatrain, and Harbin is the first city to fulfill the prophecy, or function as archetype for something far more apocalyptic down the road.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Ile
To: Mike
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Your Black Pope Theory might be correct..

hi!

Thanks for your analysis, I can see that your analysis skills are advanced.

It's funny that I didn't realize that the black king in the Pope's coat-of-arms really was black! You don't miss a thing ... thank you for that =)

I totally agree with you. Benedictus/Benedicti seems to be anti-pope, not to forget his very hard-line conservative politics.

In order to avoid misunderstandings, Pope's offical name really is Benedictus II but the announced name (at the time when Pope was elected) was Benedicti. Benedicti is latin name, and so is Benedictus. Benedictus is "modern latin" name for the Pope.

That's why I researched meaning for Benedicti, and I found this Benedictian order, which was not established by Benedictus I hundreds of years ago (which is common belief). (But the name of the order comes from the name of pope "Benedictus I")

And the order still exists.. but it has a lot of different sects with different names. All I know that these are not organized i.e. the sects don't have top-level organization. At least one of the sects locates in Germany (which is homeland of the Benedictus II, as you know).

ile

p.s. I have to drop my Harbin argument, and search for more supportive information. Sometimes
some events do seem to resemble each other.

---------

oops!

I was surfing your site and I noticed that of course the pope's name is not Benedictus II but Benedictus XVI or something..

I am terribly sorry!!! my mistake.

here is example of this other common error:

"The monastic brotherhood known as the Order of St. Benedict was established by St. Benedict in the early part of the sixth century at Subiaco, Italy, whence it spread over western Europe"

and...

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02443a.htm:
"St. Benedict did not, strictly speaking, found an order;"


The Order of St. Benedict is in U.S,, too. The Order of St. Benedict of New Jersey was incorporated in 1868.

But the St. Benedict indeed was Benedict I.

my prophecy

----- Original Message -----
From: dominic
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:37 AM
Subject: my prophecy

Dear Michael,

I would like to share with you my prophecy. I had personal visions of Our Blessed Mother Mary. She made known to me the reason why the true third secret has continually been hidden and replaced with a false third secret by the Vatican. Her true message in Fatima, Our Blessed Mother told me, actually states Her Divinity. It is a Dogma of Faith of the Catholic Church that must be proclaimed by the Pope prior to the Second Coming of Our God and Saviour Jesus Christ. It actually states that Mary is God. Mary is the Soul of the Holy Spirit.

For Mary Who Is Indeed God.

dominic
--
MY GOD AND MY ALL, MAY I BE THE LEAST OF ALL THY SERVANTS, SO THAT
FROM THE GREATEST TO THE LEAST, THOU SHALL BE GREATEST ADORED.

About the Papal Successions

----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Lee
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:50 PM
Subject: About the Papal Successions

Hi Mike,

I really find your material engrossing. However, I find a few discrepancies that I would like to have explained.

1. You contend that the late Pope John Paul II is not the 110th Pope on St. Malachy's list, and Pope Benedict XVI is not the 111th (you hold that they are 100 and 101, respectively); however, you still apply to them the characteristics that, on the list of Malachy, belong to Popes not yet installed. It is my contention that St. Malachy listed all Popes he saw, regardless of legitimacy, and foretold that there would be 112 men to hold the title of "Pope" at one time or another after Pope Celestine II. If he indeed was gifted enough to predict every Pope, it must be considered that he also foresaw Pope John Paul I, and called him "of the half moon" for his early demise, just like the demise of the moon before the sun on the "day" of the Second Coming. Either the late Pope is neither "of the half moon" nor "labor of the sun," or he is indeed the 110th Pope as listed in the list of Malachy. Just because one of the symbols of Islam is that of a crescent moon does not mean that a Pope "of the half moon" had anything great to do with that religion, which, technically speaking, is a heresy to the Church. Note that the men listed by Malachy are listed by characteristic - association with people, of whose symbols include a crescent moon (not even a half moon) is less a characteristic than an early demise, as in the demise of the moon before the breaking of day, or the early demise of the half moon before the labors of the sun..

2. From what I understand, the Third Secret of Fatima largely deals with apostasy within the Church (I myself am a Roman Catholic as well as a history/conspiracy/prophecy enthusiast) and the spiritual demise of a great number of those who call themselves of the Church. I am not sure what else it pertains to, but many people speculate that they indeed relate to the end times - however, the Church has never officially released the document itself for public consumption and at one point in the past even prohibited it from being published at all. Many Catholics also feel that the apostasy referred to in the Third Secret have something to do with the Second Vatican Council, since the Virgin Mary gave instructions to release the Third Secret to the public no later than 1960 (and Vatican II occured shortly after that time, and the reigning Pope refused to release the Third Secret, as his predecessor was about to do). And though the Catholic Church has indeed had the lion's share of faults, atrocities, errors, and the like throughout history, Catholicism remains the One True Faith, but it is clear that the Church itself, while an instrument of God, is corrupted by some of the many people who would adhere to it. It is not wayward in the sense that a pubescent teenager is wayward, but rather it must be viewed as corrupted in certain sectors that must be cleansed and renewed in the Catholic faith.

3. About the "two suns": sometime in the 1980's (I cannot recall the exact year) on a September 20 (I know the date because it is the anniversary of the canonization of the Saints of Korea - I am Korean, by the way), the late Pope canonized some 10,000 martyrs from Korea (in all honesty, there are more who were killed for the Faith, but accounts were not accurate and thus their names are known only to God and Heaven now). As soon as this was done (I know this only through second- and third-hand accounts), a halo (or perhaps a cross-like halo) appeared in the sky where the canonization was done, clearly visible against the daylight. Could this perhaps be the "second sun" that you refer to, not the result of a thermonuclear blast?

4. I think you place excessive and unnecessary emphasis on both Princess Diana and Jacques Chirac. First of all, Jacques Chirac is too old even now to complete all of the tasks that he allegedly has before him until 2016 or so. Princess Diana was indeed a celebrity, but her time has passed. The only major female in history (and not just modern) associated with the rose and apparitions is the Virgin Mary, and it may be about her that the Prophecy of the Rose refers to. In modern apparitions the Virgin Mary (or BVM for Blessed Virgin Mary, as I will abbreviate her name) has been reported to have said that she groomed the late Pope John Paul II for greatness. You also mention that 'Pope John Paul II was the first pope to make his working devotion to the "woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,"' and 'a woman persecuted by the forces of Satan who is about to give birth to a man-child to reign as the "Son of Man."' Both of these describe the BVM, and both are stated in the Bible itself.

5. I noted in your Base 7 summary (i.e. the page where you set forth the basic parameters of your predictions and some basic examples) that you had for the year 1998 that Pope John Paul II or a member of the Vatican dies. It was interesting at the least to see that the late Pope passed away 7 years after that (this year, 2005, is 7 years following 1998, in which another member of the Vatican died).

6. About George W. Bush: seeing as he is as inaccessible as ever (he was never one to be freely accessible or accountable to the common people), it is quite unlikely that he is in any significant danger of being assassinated while President of the U.S.A. If anything, he may be killed afterwards for starting the entire thing in Iraq, but currently he is too hard to reach. Not only that, there must be people around him who are aware of certain ideas and concepts (perhaps yours included) and are being very careful to protect the head of the American state.

7. I must note that the Third Secret is also purported contain prophecy relating to the unification of all religions under the banner of the Church at the time of the Second Coming as well as that a great chastisement will be brought upon the earth in that time. The BVM is reported to have said that Russia will be either the instrument of that chastisement, or, if enough are faithful and pray, Russia will instead be the instrument of the salvation of humanity. Most of your research has a great air of fatalism (predestination) about it, but I must say that the concept of "free will" is still true, and that just because things have been foreseen vaguely enough by Nostradamus or some other seer (all of whom, I feel, place an incorrect and excessive emphasis on the role of the West in the end times) to fit a great many happenings does not mean they all have to happen that way. I believe that God sees all futures, not just one of them, and thus He knows all that is possible. I don't think that God, when giving this gift of prophecy to said seers (if He indeed gave it to them at all, and they didn't come up with this themselves), was showing them the one and only future, but only the worst possible so that the seers would become warnings for the world. And while the futures they saw were thus far moderately accurate, there is no guarantee that this will remain so. So long as mankind has freedom of will, thought, and action, no prophecy is guaranteed.

Regards,

Charles Lee

Small minds discuss people,
Average minds discuss events;
Great minds discuss ideas.

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Hi Charles,

First of all, there is reasoning behind point one. If one does not value the prophecies of Nostradamus, then any argument of mine based on Nostradamus against the list of St. Malachy is going to appear weak. Of course, since the name of my website is Nostradamus and the New Prophecy Almanacs, one should expect that my views on prophecy are going to be weighted in favour of Nostradamus, and if this does not please anyone because he or she may feel Nostradamus was a vague charlatan, then such people really should be visiting some prophecy website that they feel has more credibility.

Secondly, I do not assert ("contend") anything regarding the popes as being for certain. I begin with these words: "I believe it is quite possible that John Paul the First was completely overlooked by Malachy because ..." This is not the beginning of an empirical statement, it is what we call a "theory."

If you can find, as I have, at least ten popes described by Nostradamus and, as I have, find that they match no pope who has ever existed, you might consider concluding that he was either in error or that these ten popes still remain for the future.

If it should turn out to be the latter, how do we go about explaining Malachy's list being ten popes short?? This is called a proposition (in the form of question). It is not a statement.

Of course, if you don't believe in the veracity of Nostradamus' prophecies, this proposition is not going to matter much.

In any event, a description of each of the extra ten popes of Nostradamus appears on http://www.newprophecy.net/now1.htm.

I may be wrong about the meaning of the "half-moon." But consider the events that formed the backdrop for both Malachy and Nostradamus: the Crusades were a reality in Malachy's time and a major concern for the Church, for Nostradamus the "last crusade" was recent history that many Europeans feared would recur again in their lifetimes. It is not unlikely both placed a great value on the moon as a symbol of Islam. I should point out that in some other prophecies from that period in history, the moon alone (as in the expression "those of the moon" or "from the Land of Moon"), with no reference to which phase the moon is in, was often associated with the Moslems.

Anyway, there is no shame, I feel, in there ever being a pope who is kindly to the Muslim people ... or who acts as mediator in conflicts and misunderstandings that arise between Christianity and Islam so as to avoid terrorism (from either side) or warfare. I daresay such a pope, and it could be this one, is bound to appear sooner or later.

Returning to Malachy and how his mottos are applied. Note that "Pastor and Mariner" was applied to Pope John XXIII. I would say rather loosely applied due to the fact that he was Patriarch of Venice.

Yet, only last month, Benedict XVI made his first international trip by returning to his native land and sailing the Rhine to preach to young people from the bow of a cruise ship. What are we to think if he does this more and more often?? Does that not at least set us back from "Glory of the Olive" to "Pastor and Mariner"?

Speaking of moons and crescent moons being linked with Islam, it is also being reported that Pope Benedict will be visiting Turkey in 2006. Nostradamus prophesied that the Vatican would open up close ties with Turkey, but that a cardinal would be abducted there and held hostage. He also mentions a delegation of cardinals traveling to Turkey to bring the law of Christianity to the Muslims.

Lastly, there is a prophecy of a "great pope" who is kidnapped near Turkey and who dies in captivity in another country farther east.

You can be sure I'll be bringing these prophecies up fairly soon ... and for obvious reasons.

Regarding the Third Secret of Fatima. I have heard your view expressed before by others. It was the official view of the Church as relayed to the media by Cardinal Soldana, along with the consensus that the attack on "the Bishop in White" was the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II in 1981.

I don't know if this is the actual "Third Secret of Fatima" either and the real secret is still locked away. But if it is the real Third Secret -- or a fragment of it that was allowed out -- it is a very real and concrete vision of future events, surrounded by the wildest metaphors ever concocted. If you wish to dote on all the metaphors that is fine. I like them too since I am a poet. But the kernal at the heart of this vision still is literally about the murderous attack upon a pope, and upon those making the journey with him, "by a group of soldiers" ... in a city that is half-destroyed and littered with corpses.

I still maintain this is NOT about Pope John Paul II in 1981. The details are much too different from what happened in Rome (not a half-destroyed city with corpses littering the streets) the day he (and he alone) was shot (by a single man, Ali Agca, and not a group of soldiers).

Regarding the two suns. Yes, I suppose it could be an airy-fairy halo. But the quatrain says more than that: it says a great star will burn for seven days and set the dogs a-howling all night. It also links the burning star and the double sun with a "cloud." I really do think Nostradamus had a more ominous portent in mind when he wrote that stanza.

According to many prophecies regarding the "great Monarch," most which say he will be French, the man will be "old." In fact he dies of natural causes or old age during a visit to Jerusalem seven years after being crowned. Nostradamus' "Chiren" figure is one of the few instances where a prophet (in this case a major prophet) has dared apply a name to the "great Monarch."

Yes, one of the contenders for "Chiren," French President Jacques Chirac, is getting old. Yet, not so old that he couldn't easily live until the year 2016 ... or longer than that. The generic life expectancy (for those who do not smoke or drink alcohol often and excessively), so say the medical profession, is now set at 85 to 87 years. It is risk-taking behaviour, they all agree, that is causing the overall life expectancy in the United States to still be around the age of 73 to 76. What the life expectancy is in France, I don't know, but I doubt it is too much different ... for the well-to-do, at least.

Of course, I often say that Chiren will either be Chirac or a future Henry (Henri [current sp.], Henric, Henryc [old sp.]). If you go to http://www.newprophecy.net/part2emailarchives.htm you will see a discussion I had concerning who the actual royal French contenders to the throne are if the monarchy is ever revived. One of these is Henri Philippe Pierre Marie d'Orléans who is now 72.

Not all Christians agree with you OR with me about who the woman in Revelation 12 is. I could be wrong ... and so could you.

Diana is made relevent because she appears in so many Nostradamus quatrains, including one that mentions a church of Diana and one of her sons being kidnapped. This mention of her having a son, a royal prince, who is abducted and held for ransom makes it quite clear that this is not the old goddess Diana religion from pagan times.

He also mentions the apparition of a woman who is buried or interred in consecrated fashion (i.e. a tomb, a cemetery, ect) rising from her resting place and speaking to the people. The very fact that she does this, according to the prophecy, causes fighting and bloodshed between believers (the ones who witness it) and unbelievers (the ones who don't witness it or, and here I am guessing, those who declare the woman's apparition is a deception by Satan).

Mary appears just about everywhere, but I've never heard of her appariton rising from a place of burial in modern times and, in so doing, sparking off a war of religion.

This woman has to be somebody else.

Well, maybe she's not Diana ... but right now that makes the most sense to me. I suppose in the 1950s some Argentines thought it might be Evita Peron.

Point 5 is more an observation on your part ... which I also find to be of interest.

Understand that the base 7 system raises the issue of specific dangerous trends from the past (and in the rarer instances I find them, positive trends) and seeks to apply these to certain years. Whilst there is no guarantee that these dangerous situations will arise at or near the specified times, there is a higher than normal probability that they will. Indeed, roughly three out of four times (or greater) these projections will occur or will come nerve-wrackingly close. Still, they are not prophecies in the real sense, which only come about through visions (sleeping or awake). It is more a theory on how Time generally works and, logically, if one knows how Time works, one will also know what to expect may happen when a cycle of Time is renewed.

Your last two points are not really so much points of discrepancy on my part as simply you projecting opinions.

Regarding Bush: if the Tecumseh Curse (or Shawnee Curse as it is also called), a malediction that has caused the death of every president elected in a year ending in zero from 1840 through 1960, did indeed end with Ronald Reagan, elected in 1980, surviving an assassination attempt in 1981, then there is no special reason to expect anything to happen to Bush.

But there are reasons to suspect that this curse still has teeth for a person elected in 2000.

The reason may be found in astrology. Just by coincidence, each zero election year since 1840 also witnessed a Venus-Jupiter conjunction that was in the earth element. Don't ask me to explain what being in the earth element means, because I am not an astrologer. Suffice it to say that for some reason this proved to be very deadly for presidents Harrison, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Harding, Roosevelt, and Kennedy. When Reagan was elected, however, the conjunction moved into what is called the air element. And as we know, he survived an assassination attempt in March 1981. Thus, it would appear that Venus and Jupiter in air somehow mitigated the old Indian curse. Indeed, if one believes in astrology, there may be no curse at all ... only the influence of these two planets every twenty years. In 2000, the Jupiter-Venus conjunction moved back into the earth element for the last time. Thus, the implications are that the man elected in 2000 will die in office, if not in his first term, then in his second. In the case of FDR it was technically his fourth term, but it was still the second term following the 1940 election. From 2020 onwards for the next 600 years this conjunction will be in the air element again. Presumably the curse will be permanently lifted at that time.

I would add that if Bush survives his second term, in the highly unlikely event that Al Gore should run for office in 2008 and win, he might be at risk since he won the popular vote in 2000.

Aside from the Tecumseh Curse, there will always be the base 7 trend. Again, a dangerous trend is not a guarantee that anything bad will happen, but the risk is very great nonetheless.

This year, 2005, is aligned with the death of President John F. Kennedy in November 1963.

I find it remarkable someone made a serious attempt to kill Bush in Tibilisi, Georgia this year with a hand grenade. Add to that the fact that Bush is now suffering the worst score with the public than any US president in memory, save Lyndon Johnson. He is hounded by the victims of Katrina and the growing anti-Iraq war, anti-government movement led by Cindy Sheehan.

As for "fatalism" -- it is true that I present things in a "worst-case scenario" fashion. Read any prophecy and you will see worse than that because many of the prophets believed in the predestination of the events revealed to them. Personally, if you have read my replies to emails in the past (not sure about what's on the current email forums), posts I have made on Prophetic Messenger Service board, and messages I have placed on my website from time to time (some are still to be found on some pages), I emphasise that future events can be thwarted, changed, postponed, mitigated by making other choices, or, if in the hands of God, can still be mitigated or postponed through repentance or prayer.

However, if I presented my base 7 findings and dream premonitions, and the prophecies of others, as highly unlikely to be realised in their worst exteme, and instructed people not to worry about them, who do I answer to if the worst does happen?

Downplaying a very grave prophecy that ends up coming true can be more disastrous than witnessing the utter failure of a prediction.

There were people from India who were quite confused, angry, and displeased with me when a major quake struck the country in January 2001. Why? Not because I was off by four months, but because I downplayed my India quake prediction after it failed to occur in September 2000. I rationalised that bad flooding India experienced in August and September 2000 must have been the "real deal" and that the earthquake would likely not happen. Then it happened ... one of the worst quakes to ever strike India.

So now I tow the line, holding on until the year following a prediction has passed.

Every time someone falls into apathy because their worst fears suddenly seem unlikely, or one believes falsely that a prediction has been thwarted, if they are a person who can do some good, they fail themselves and they fail the world.

Nostradamus vague? I agree many of his quatrains seem that way. But as I am and have been trying to impress on everyone for a number of years now, it is not his quatrains that have led me to my understanding of the world view of Nostradamus. It is his Epistle to Henry II, a lengthy prophecy written in narrative form, written in chronological sequence, and written with much less symbolism than in the quatrains, that opened my eyes to what Nostradamus really believed about our future.

After reading this narrative, one discovers that an older prophet wrote a similar narrative of future events: the Old Testament prophet Daniel in his 11th Chapter. One can read both and find a number of points that are common.

Reading Epistle to Henry II also helps one understand some of the quatrains. Again, there are quatrains that have points that are similar to prophecy seen in Daniel's 8th and 11th chapters.

As for the role of the West, it is indeed great, as is the role of the east. Again, I point to Daniel Chapter 8 and 11, which are about future events and NOT about Alexander the Great.

If you believe they are about Alexander the Great, please go directly to http://www.newprophecy.net/emailarchives.htm and read the series of email exchanges between myself and Todd. He too, like many, once thought that these Daniel prophecies were fulfilled in the past. However, the more research he does into history, the more he has discovered that Daniel 8 and 11 do NOT match historical reality. As the archangel Gabriel warns: "Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in THE LATTER DAYS: for yet the vision is for many days."

I will probably take that series of exchanges and place it in some fashion on my website permanently.

Why? You'd be surprised how many times people will take me to task over something I have already successfully argued out with someone else ... and sometimes more than with just one person. Almost anything you can imagine arguing with me about I have already answered to, often more than once, over the years.

And it does get tiring constantly re-defending my position over and over again because new people didn't happen to be around the last time their great idea for a debate was breeched by someone else.

In summation, however, I would say that those who make predictions or draw conclusions based on their personal belief in prophecy are always going to be in an uneviable and indefencible position. One really cannot defend prophecy or one's own personal interpretation or 'spin' of it. Prophecy, like religion, falls under the auspices of "faith" -- and faith is something that can neither be empirically proven or disproved. Such debate, therefore, will always be fruitless between the believer and the sceptic, much less the cynic, who believes the predictor or believer in prophecy is doing so for less than honourable motives.

Kind regards,

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Lee
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: About the Papal Successions

Hi Mike,

I thank you profusely for replying to my email. Looking at your comments (and the fact that while I was presenting some queries, I was also making statements and opinions that have yet to be proven true or false), I see that there is indeed some strong basis for the theories you propose. I myself am not a student of classical mythology or of the classics, so I am at somewhat of a disadvantage when it comes to Nostradamus making references to these.

I failed to notice earlier that you do indeed claim on your website that foreseen events can and have been thwarted. And, I suppose, to my rather one-sided religious bent, you could have summed up a counter-argument with the phrase "God works in mysterious ways," which is what I was thinking when I read your reply.

I suppose my point of view is somewhat tainted because I do not have your ability to see the potential future in nightmares (that is indeed what some of these visions are), and I do agree with you on the fact that it is better to take a doomsday warning seriously than to downplay it and have that scenario happen.

I also agree that there is nothing wrong with a Pope (or Popes) who gets along with other denominations of faith as well (they are people too), though my somewhat one-sided interpretations of theology will tend to make me lie on technicalities when I claim that one religion is technically a heresy and that another is the One True Faith.

I still don't see how Jacques Chirac could do all those things he (or a successor) is supposed to do by 2016. I think he's just too old. Perhaps his democratic successor may be the one the prophecies speak of, i.e. "Chiren" would then mean "of Chirac" or in his style of government, political leanings, and the like. However, I suppose you could probably point out to me certain defining characteristics of the Chiren of the prophecies and their apparent presence in the current President of France.

I forgot to mention in my statement about the Third Secret that my sources do indeed indicate that not only does the Third Secret relate to apostasy within the Church, but it does relate to Popes (or a Pope) being attacked and killed, fleeing the Vatican, and the like. But I don't think the part about the Pope was actually part of the third secret. From what I understand, the apparition of the BVM at Fatima actually told this to the children there, and the Third Secret was something else about the end times and hardship for the Church. Plus, my view is absolutely not that of the Church. You have failed to notice my comment on the Second Vatican Council (my view that the apostasy referred to in the Third Secret had something to do with that Vatican II cannot be the position of the Church). This means that I agree with you on the "Bishop in White," and that he has not yet been killed or attacked, i.e. he has not come into play yet.

Parts of your response (particularly regarding the Third Secret) seem formulaic, as if you had not bothered to read what I actually said. I also noted that the Church has yet to release the actual document on which the Third Secret was written and at one time prevented its publication. I do not agree with the Church on its statement regarding the Third Secret, and I do not agree with the Church that the consecration of Russia (as requested by the BVM) has been completed. So it is possible that the Pope to do this has not yet come (and then the late Pope John Paul II would indeed be 100 on the list of 112, because supposedly it is the 110th that will have that opportunity). If this is true, then the late Pope is not "of the moon" or the "labor of the sun," and Benedict XVI is not the "olive branch" or also the "labor of the sun." Yet you continue to relate these titles to them (I suppose because you are not quite sure whether St. Malachy's list is being interpreted correctly or not).

It is clear that you do not agree with the sentiment that Pope John Paul II is the "labor of the sun," particularly in that he is not, in your view, the 110th/109th (you also suggest that Pope John Paul I was passed over because his reign was indeed short) Pope as described in the list of Malachy. Then you should not refer to him as "labor of the sun," nor should you refer to him as "of the moon" because he also does not fit that description. It is confusing when you suggest that the late Pope is not the 110th but still apply the descriptors of the 110th to him. He is either the 110th or not the "labor of the sun" or "of the moon." He cannot be both (the "labor of the sun"/"of the moon" and the 100th).

Your point about Diana is well-stated, and I have to say I must concede on this point because I can't think of anything else. If Diana does indeed become a saint (though I kind of doubt this in the near future - perhaps later on, i.e. 10 or so Popes down the line, at about the 110th or so, perhaps), it is indeed possible that there will be a church (not an entire religion, but religious buildings and structures) dedicated to the late Princess of Wales.

About President Bush: while I am not a fan, and you do have some very valid points about his presidency, somehow I don't think President Bush will be caught by the Tecumseh Curse. First of all, I do not believe that astrology is accurate, especially in this case, and secondly, while the President does indeed have a notable presidency (within a year of coming into office, there's 9/11, then there's the current debacle in Iraq, the PATRIOT Act, the problems and moral/ethical issues being raised in the U.S. today, Hurricane Katrina, and that's just domestic issues - he could be a remote reason why the tsunami in South Asia happened) and perhaps among the lowest of approval ratings, that just does not mean that he is in significant danger of assassination. I suppose when it happens I'll know I heard it from you first, but too many factors play against this. I mentioned the tight security around the President, as well as the fact that he is rarely out in public (at least at home - if he is prophesied to die abroad, I suppose that would be more corrigible). There are a few other factors, such as the rarity of someone being insane enough to try to assassinate the President, that play against the idea that he may succumb to the "curse" or planetary alignment or whatever. He is just too hard to reach, at least by conventional means. If someone decided to bomb the place where he was at (i.e. a rally) and kill a great number of people along with him, that might be feasible. But a lone, single assassination - the odds are against it, though it only takes a stray bullet to actually kill a man, be he President or not.

I generally tend to agree with the vast majority of the things you say on your site (in particular that Russia has not come out of communism to embrace democracy - indeed, it is our enduring mistake that the Russian state has done so - but I disagree with your suggestion that communism as a political form and ideology will coexist with others in the future, because it has been foretold by others that communism will and must die), and I would again like to thank you profusely for replying coherently. I am in your debt, that you have been able to explain to me exactly what you are referring to in your suggestions for the future, and I am grateful that you have helped me understand my shortcomings in this field (I am only a student after all, and I cannot - and would not like to - see the things you and others see and have seen).

Regards,

Charles Lee


Small minds discuss people,
Average minds discuss events;
Great minds discuss ideas.

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Hi Charles,

There are not too many points to address here, but I feel I should clarify further things I intended say in my last letter and forgot about. You raise most of those very issues in this letter.

Jacques Chirac or Henri Philippe d'Orleans really do not have to do all that much ... no more than a president needs to do. Chirac is currently 72 and will turn 73 in November. Henri Philippe is the exact same age. This is not too old for a head-of-state.

Ronald Reagan was 69 when he was elected president of the US on November 5, 1980 and turned 70 on February 6, 1981 -- only seven weeks before the assassination attempt that seriously injured him. He left the White House after George Bush Sr was inaugurated in January 1989, at nearly the age of 78. Reagan brought the United States armed forces into Lebanon in 1982-84 and again in the Persian Gulf in 1987 and 1988 during the final year of the Iran-Iraq war. He also ordered the air strikes against Libya in 1986, and two smaller ones in 1981 and again in 1989 (a few days before stepping down in lieu of Bush Sr).

Chirac and Henri have another 5 years before either is the age Reagan was when he left office.

In one quatrain, Nostradamus calls the WW3-era leader of France "the important old man." This is before he is made into a monarch or an emperor.

Technically, Chirac or Henri merely has to be "commander-in-chief" when France takes the lead in an EU retaliation against the invading Russian and Muslim armies and liberation of occupied countries. Obviously France won't be working alone, the UK, Portugal, Belgium, and Germany will also be involved. And much of the biological and chemical weaponry they will use will be American-made (even though America will be largely destroyed by this time). As long as the French-led EU forces are victorious in the end, as prophesied, and he gives the orders, Chirac or Henri will be elevated to a higher position.

I would point out that France is scheduled to have the rotating presidency of the EU between July and December 2008 -- and not again until sometime in the 2020s. August 2008 is the time I happened to project for the Russian/Iranian-led invasion of Europe. And I didn't know that France would have the presidency in the second half of 2008 at the time I made that projection.

I bring this up because Nostradamus and other prophets suggest that a French leader will already be head of Europe at the time of the invasion. Even Daniel calls this person the "king from out of the west" and describes Europe and its leader as an "he goat with a notable horn between its eyes, and the notable horn is the first king."

I would also point out that Chirac, despite some scandals, has the strongest voice in the EU. Unofficially, he already personifies the European Union to many people (but not all). On the diplomatic front or any other form of charm offensive, I believe he has only one equal: Tony Blair.

Anyway, ten years from now, the argument that Chirac (or Henri) is too old will doubtlessly be true ... if the prophesied events of war and post-war coronation have not yet come to pass. But I feel one cannot write Chirac off between now and November 2012 (when he reaches the age of 80) ... unless he loses power or retires from office.

The apparent schizophrenia on the Pope page can be best understood this way (and remember that the page was mostly revised and new material composed between the death of John Paul II and a few weeks after the election of Benedict XVI): OK people, you have a new pope. Maybe he is not the pope you believe him to be based on your understanding of the prophecy of Malachy. Here's why. But since it is possible I may be wrong in my theory, I will continue to refer to him as "Glory of the Olive" for as long as you continue to regard him as such. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't -- time will tell. Maybe John Paul the Great was the solar pope, maybe he wasn't -- time will tell. I offer prophetic evidence I have uncovered that indicates Malachy could be right and that he could be wrong. Perhaps after this new pope Benedict has been in power for a while, we will have a better idea. But for right now, I submit the following for your consideration ... and hope for your input!

In other words, this Pope page is a controversy. It is sometimes the nature of controversies that they will cause confusion. It is most definitely a page in flux and should not be regarded as "the final word" by me or "written in stone." Yet, it must also serve the purpose of warning when or if I believe this pope, or any pope to follow, is in some sort of danger. The quatrain 2.97 regarding a pope and his entourage -- all of them -- coughing up blood when visiting a city watered by two rivers has not yet been fulfilled. It waits in the future ... or not at all.

After all, this page was originally constructed for Pope John Paul II back in 1998 because of my overriding concern about him visiting Iraq ... which he almost did on three occasions, but ultimately did not. Now that he is dead, it is going to take some time to "feel out" what this new pope is all about, where exactly he fits in with prophecy, and the dangers and obstacles he must overcome.

At some point the warning aspect of this page will supercede the theories I have laid out regarding Malachy. Technically, the prophecy of Malachy is secondary to the original mission of this page anyway, which is to warn.

If some of my responses seemed formulaic or missed points that you brought up, please understand that yours is not the only email I have to answer. Your letter was lengthy and required a detailed response. It took me five hours to write my reply. Normally I don't have that much time to spend answering emails. Besides, I have a website to maintain, update, and continue to build too.

Despite the tight security Bush enjoys, as I pointed out in my last letter, someone managed to lob a live grenade at the podium he was speaking from in Tibilisi, Georgia. (So you missed some of my points, too!) Subsequent news reports revealed that this grenade was not a phony or even a dud. A real dud will never go off. It was live, but for some reason failed to go off. Nevertheless, it had to be taken away from where the president and audience were and detonated. When the man who lobbed the grenade was arrested, he admitted that he did indeed plan on killing Bush with the grenade shrapnel.

Had the grenade detonated and Bush merely wounded from shrapnel, this would have been as big a news story as the attempt on Reagan in 1981. Because nothing happened, it has been treated as a non-event. This is a mistake.

There are definitely forces in this world that want the president dead; but there appears to be a force protecting this president ... for the time being, at least.

As I mentioned, I do not practise astrology. Generally-speaking, it is a system that is largely flawed, and it is an occult system which, as a Christian, I cannot trust. Even so, this is not to say that the motions of the planets NEVER have an auguring potential. Clearly they must or the system would not have been invented.

I merely pointed out a peculiar planetary conjunction regarding zero-year elections that has been consistent since the malediction by the dying Chief Tecumseh was uttered to first be applied to the election of 1840. I noted a change in this conjunction in the year 1980 and the resumption of the 1840-1960 status of the conjunction again in 2000 ... for the last time. It may or may not be relevent, but it is curious.

Regarding communism, for the most part the West has only seen the evil it can do. In the hands of dictators, communism is a terrible system of government.

I believe we all got to see the friendly face of communism when Mikhail Gorbachev was president of the now-defunct USSR. He arrived too late to save his nation, but not too late to show us what a friendly Soviet Union could be like. Had the Soviet Union not fallen into such a frightful state of economic collapse under the previous short-term leaders of Andropov and Chernenko, the Russian empire might not have fallen ... and Gorbachev with it. I still believe communism can work under a Gorbachev-style leader. If Russia had had more leaders like Gorbachev, instead of dictators like Stalin, Kruschev, and Breshnev, there never would have been a Cold War.

Someday we may see this phenomenon again ... perhaps in the CIS or in China, if we don't go to war. Then the future world will embrace communism as one more member in its club of ideologies.

You see "reds" (as in revolutionaries) cannot rule indefinitely. Revolutions are short and bloody, often accompanied by chaos, lawlessness, and reigns of terror. When Nostradamus writes of "reds" being included in some future "Parliament of Europe," he cannot mean revolutionaries. There remains only communism as the logical meaning of "reds" ... or something else we do not yet know about.

Personally, I would not wish to live under a communist system ... even if it is in a Gorbachev-land. But that is because I am accustomed to living in a republic (incorrectly called a "democracy"). People grow accustomed to what is familiar, what is life-long, so who am I to tell someone that they are living in a sorry state? And when I do ... these people already know it for themselves.

Anyway, thanks for your kind and thoughtful letter. I am always glad to discuss things at length ... when I have the time.

Best wishes,

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Lee
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: About the Papal Successions

It's just that I hate being a pawn in all of this. I mean, I'm not the President of France or of the House of Windsor (my family is at least 2000 years old and since at least a few decades before the birth of Christ has been of the nobility in Korea - until that was eliminated after the Japanese annexation of Korea in 1910, which oddly enough was 21 years (3 x 7) before your true start time of WWII in 1931 - but that's the closest I get). If anything, one of my life goals is to work to a position where I'm not a pawn - I absolutely detest being pushed around without a say of my own - it sort of curdles my blood and is perhaps the one thing I really hate.

Anyway, I thought I'd get that out - it's probably a major reason why I'm not so fond of end time prophecy (because I'd be a pawn of it).

Regards,

Charles Lee


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