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----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon
To: mmcclellan@roadrunner.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: July-August 2010
Hello Michael,
It’s been quite awhile since we’ve exchanged emails.
All of which were on the economy or stock market.
One of the stock market analyst uses ‘planetary
alignments’ in his analysis. He is looking for catastrophic
fallout of the market July-August 2010. States alignments are the
worst in well over 200 years.
Do you have anything to add or comment?
Appreciatively,
Gordon
Hi Gordon,
It has indeed been a while.
I suppose you took note of my prediction for a major stock market
crash to happen in October 2008 and cause a worldwide depression,
massive unemployment, etc? We did have "Black October"
last fall, so I guess I was spot on ... and we do have global
recession or depression, depending on the nation being affected.
My prediction for massive protests/riots in August 2009 over the
economy, food shortages, a global war pending, and Planet X
failed to happen though, although we have had much protests and
some riots in July and August over Obamacare (universal health
coverage) ...
I also predicted unemployment would reach 20 million in the US in
September 2009 ... so far, it is at 16 million.
Yes, I have seen one member of my forum who specialises in
economic trends pretty much concur that an even worse
"crash" will occur by no later than spring or summer
2010, if not sometime this coming autumn. I would concur that
things will get much worse in 2010 than they have been or will be
in 2009. However, I did not predict an even worse crash or
collapse happening in summer 2010. Instead, I believe other
factors will worsen such as unemployment ... much worse than this
year. But efforts to do away with the dollar and replace it with
a universal currency, possibly the euro, will pay off I think.
Can't really say what rabbits Obama or the Europeans will pull
out of their magic hats since I am by no means an economics
specialist.
But actually I think we will see the bottom by summer of next
year, probably as early as spring, but not something that will
make things all that much worse than things already are.
I have predicted the start of a modest recovery happening in
November 2010. This recovery will not be felt by most people,
however, until 2011 or even as late as 2012. This period, begun
with "Black October" last autumn (I don't know why
lately economists say we have been in a recession since 2007, a
year before the crash) will be regarded as the worst recession in
US history, and possibly the world too. But it will not last a
decade or longer as the Great Depression did from 1929 to 1941.
More like 2008 to 2011 or 2008 to 2012, with an actual meagre
recovery beginning in November 2010.
Don't know if you think this is possible, but that's my feeling.
Thanks for writing.
Kind regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon
To: Mike
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: July-August 2010
Yes, I did note ALL your
prediction.
What appears to be the mostly scenario is very similar to yours.
Stock market top could be very soon or delayed until next year
(most likely scenario). DOW would top out anywhere from
9700-11,300. 2010 would be absolute debacle on the downside. Low
of 3800 DOW in 2010 and ultimately even all the way down to 1800.
That is a prediction by Harry S Dent, JR. Who wrote several books
on the economic subjects. The bottom of the depression would
occur 2012-2013. Recovery would be extremely slow and good times
would not be obvious until 2017-2020.
The July-August 2010 era comes from analyst I check in with now
and then. His projection are base on planetary alignment. Stating
2010 will be awful with all kinds of economic issues, earthquakes
and natural disasters that nearly bury ourselves.
They're all kinds talk about exactly what you're referring to
with global food shortage. Just appears the world is not all that
prepared what is about to happen.
Gordon
Hi Michael,
a fan of your work. I think you have ignored one major prophecy!! ... Also, deciphering
of the dame, 4 Children prophecy + the 3 days of Darkness
----- Original Message -----
From:
angelo
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: Hi Michael ,a fan of your work.I think you have ignored
one major prophecy!!
Hi I am a fan of your musings on Nastradamus but i fear once you
read this you may re assess your previous projections and realise
we may be a century closer to Armageddon
Read on please it is my own research...
My own interpretation of The Epistle to Henry II by Nostradamus
is long but one prophecy caught my eye that completely astounded
me and unraveled for the most part the mystery of the text
Then
the great Empire of Antichrist shall descend from the Attila, and
Xerxes come down with an innumerable number of people, so that
the coming of the Holy Spirit, proceeding from the 48th degree,
shall transmigrate, driving away the abomination of the
Antichrist who made war against the royal person of the great
vicar of Jesus Christ [the Pope] and against His Church, and His
Kingdom, and reign par tempus, et in occasione temporis.
And before this shall proceed a solar eclipse, the most dark and
obscure that was since the creation of the world, till the death
and passion of Jesus Christ, and from him until now. There shall
be in the month of October, a great revolution made, such that
everyone will think that the earth has lost its natural motion
and has gone down into perpetual darkness. In the spring before
and after this, shall happen extraordinary changes, reversals of
kingdoms, and great earthquakes, all this accompanied with the
procreation of the New Babylon, a miserable prostitute large with
the abomination of the First Holocaust [World War III]. And this
shall last only 73 years and 7 months.
This is talking in great detail about the rise of Communism under
Lenin. It is quite embellished with an celestial sign but the
truth is it is astonishingly accurate in everything else. First
of all Lenin was a Russian Tatar. Russia is an amalgam of ancient
groups like the Avars,Scythians and Huns. The Huns were a people
from Central Asia of Mongol stock .In the 13th century it was the
Tartar tribes that formed the ‘Golden Horde’. In fact
‘Tartary’ is the early name used to mean Southern
Russia precisely the area this epistle is talking about ‘The
land of Attila’. Anyway Lenin was part Russian, part Tatar
so that empire here is linked to his Tatar ancestry. Under Lenin
an empire took form as the USSR. The mention of a great
revolution made in October is amazing (in the Russian calendar it
was in October) Anyway the 1917 October revolution that brought
the Bolsheviks to power began an era of totalitarian atheism in
the world. The execution of the Tsar who was also seen as the
Orthodox Church spiritual leader is no doubt another fulfilled
prophecy of Communists making war on a royal person. Certainly
why Nostradamus saw it as an empire of the antichrist. The fact
before and after this revolution, extraordinary changes,
reversals of kingdoms (WW1 also called here the ‘First
Holocaust’) is undeniable. The most amazing prophecy is the
length of the existence of the empire. It is frighteningly
accurate 73 years and 7 months. From October 1917 to October 1990
is 73 years and if one adds on 7 months then one comes to 1991
when the Soviet Union collapsed, this alone is a mind boggling
testimony to how accurate this prophecy is!!
From here onwards everything makes sense and flows in a sequence
of events that one can interpret reaching a crescendo of the true
Antichrist
Then
from that stock that has been so long time barren, proceeding
from the 50th degree, one will issue who will renovate all the
Christian Church. A great place will be established, with union
and concord between some of the children of opposite ideas, who
have been separated by diverse realms. And such will be the peace
that the instigator and promoter of military factions, born of
the diversity of religions, will remain chained to the deepest
pit.
….The countries, towns, cities, realms and provinces which
will have abandoned their old customs to gain liberty, but which
will in fact have enthralled themselves even more, will secretly
have wearied of their liberty. Faith lost in their perfect
religion, they will begin to strike to the left, only to return
to the right.
The prophecy about the UN and an era of peace but a sense of loss
of identity by many people probably within continental blocks
like the EU.
Holiness,
for a long time overcome, will be replaced in accordance with the
earliest writings….. The chiefs of the Church will be
backward in the love of God, and several of them will apostatize
from the true faith. Of the three sects, that which is in the
middle, because of its own partisans, will be thrown a bit into
decadence. The first one will be exterminated throughout all
Europe and most of Africa by the third one, making use of the
poor in spirit who, led by madmen to libidinous luxury, will
adulterate.
Here the general loss of faith and religious significance is
mentioned in great detail. Not only is this among the general
populace (who fluctuate between socialism-the left and
capitalism-the right) but generally the clergy. The ‘three
sects’ are definitely 1. Christianity 2.Judaism and
3.Humanism
Because even as the words reveal Judaism.. ‘that which is in
the middle’ because of its own orthodox-zionist partisans
will become decadent, Christianity in Europe and Africa(more
likely the entire 3rd world) will be will be
‘exterminated’ by Humanism which takes either covert
right wing Capitalist materialism or overt left wing Communist
approach…making use of the poor in spirit who led by madmen
to libidinous luxury adulterate or apostosize
The
supporting common people will rise up and chase out the adherents
of the legislators. From the way realms will have been weakened
by the Easterners, it will seem that God the Creator has loosed
Satan from the prisons of hell to give birth to the great Dog and
Dogam, who will make such an abominable breach in the Churches
that neither the reds nor the whites without eyes or hands will
know what to make of it, and their power will be taken from
them.Then will commence a persecution of the Churches the like of
which was never seen. Meanwhile, such a plague will arise that
more than two thirds of the world will be removed. One will be
unable to ascertain the true owners of fields and houses, and
weeds growing in the streets of cities will rise higher than the
knees. For the clergy there will be but utter desolation.
This describes the resurgence of Communism again …because
realms (as prophecied by many other prophets) will have been
weakened by the Easterners....through several new communist
revolutions from within and direct conquest from without a loosed
Satan from hell will be born as the Dog of Dogan..the Oriental
king that begins WW3.This is either China which was born a
Communist state after WW2, or Russia that relapses into Communism
that it took on after WW1 the ‘first Holocaust’ and
which is echoed by the Ram in Daniel 8 that grows in power
towards the west, the north and the south…or as the white
horse rider bent on conquest in Rev 6. This could actually be the
king invading the west in Quatrain 2.29
The plague that occurs concurrently with the persecution that
removes two thirds of the world is definitely WW3
And a
new incursion will be made by the maritime shores, wishing to
deliver the Sierra Morea from the first Mahometan recapture.
Their assaults will not all be in vain, and the place which was
once the abode of Abraham will be assaulted by persons who hold
the Jovialists in veneration. And this city of "Achem"
will be surrounded and assailed on all sides by a most powerful
force of warriors. Their maritime forces will be weakened by the
Westerners, and great desolation will fall upon this realm. Its
greatest cities will be depopulated and those who enter will fall
under the vengeance of the wrath of God.
The sepulcher, for long an object of such great veneration, will
remain in the open, exposed to the sight of the heavens, the Sun
and the Moon. The holy place will be converted into a stable for
a herd large and small, and used for profane purposes. Oh, what a
calamitous affliction will pregnant women bear at this time.
For
hereupon the principal Eastern chief will be vanquished by the
Northerners and Westerners, and most of his people, stirred up,
will be put to death, overwhelmed or scattered.
This paragraph is giving a few clues of what will transpire
during or close to the end of the war.First of all the western
forces (which I believe are the Goat in the Goat vs Ram prophecy
in Daniel 8) will drive back and defeat the Communist forces from
the Orient. Though I do not know what Sierra-Morea means .It is
obvious that the mention of the land of Abraham is Israel and the
‘Muslim capture’ means this Oriental ram may ally
itself with some Islamic kingdom again supported by many prophets
and even Daniel when he said the ram had one horn longer than
another meaning a dual alliance of kingdoms with unequal
strength. Israel will be assaulted by those who hold the
Jovialists in veneration, in this case this is the army of the
west either pre-empting oriental conquest of the Levant or
chasing the Orientals out of there . The ‘Jovialists’
here are the Jews and not because of some phonetic similarity but
because throughout the epistle Nostradamus uses Jove and Jupiter
(both in ancient times used to mean almighty God) interchangeably
for example this quote
‘The
people of the world from this benevolent slavery to which they
had voluntary submitted. He will put himself under the protection
of Mars, stripping Jupiter of all his honors and dignities, and
establish himself in the free city in another scant
Mesopotamia.’
This I believe a few paragraphs before means USA as another scant
Mesopotamia or kind of Babylon where people will put more faith
in war and personal conquest(Mars) than faith in God (Jupiter) to
protect them.
So the western Christian ‘Goat’ who is apparently
friendlier to the Jews than either the Muslims or Communist
‘Ram’ will definitely come to rid Israel of the Ram
conqueror in WW3.This is corroborated by the bible in Daniel 8.
Suddenly
a goat with a prominent horn between his eyes came from the west,
crossing the whole earth without touching the ground….6 he
(the Goat) came toward the two horned ram..and charged at him
furiously, 7 I saw him striking the ram and shattering his two
horns. The ram was powerless to stand against him, The goat
knocked him to the ground and trampled on him,and none could
rescue the ram from his power.
So anyway the eastern leaders (the two horns of the Ram) are
destroyed by the goat of the west and Israel is freed by the goat
in this war evidently. The city of ‘Achem’ is either
Aachen on the border of France and Germany…where many other
European prophets like Alois Irlmaier,Adam Wuerzburg,Joseph
Stockert,Eilert Jasper, Johan von Erenberg,monk of Werl, Erna
Stieglitz foresaw a titanic battle and the turning of the tide in
WW3 against invaders from the east or it could be Acre again a
town in Syria where we may suppose the war of Gog and Magog comes
to fruition when a sword will be summoned against Gog in the
north of Israel. Ezekiel 39:2
Tantalizingly there could be an allusion as I always presumed
even without this epistle that the 3rd temple is rebuilt by this
time because in a paragraph Nostradamus mentions a Sepulcher ..
The
sepulcher, for long an object of such great veneration, will
remain in the open, exposed to the sight of the heavens, the Sun
and the Moon.
I doubt this is the veiled hint at the temple most likely it
could be a destroyed Mausoleum of Lenin in Moscow but the words
that follow…. The holy place will be converted into a
stable for a herd large and small, and used for profane purposes.
Oh, what a calamitous affliction will pregnant women bear at this
time.
This is interesting because Nostradamus did not seem to prophecy
the rebirth of Israel directly but if this is anything to go by
not only does he prophecy Israel’s existence in his vision,
but also the existence of the 3rd temple..which as of now is non
existent. It probably means that the temple will be put up but
will be used as a ‘stable’ again a clue to the nature
of Jewish sacrifices made to God but alas this temple will be
used for profane purposes which could mean that it was either put
up shortly before WW3 and so desecrated by the oriental kings or
put up by Jews under the auspices of the Western kings but was
duly somehow saw sacrilege by pagan or pseudo Christian west.
Though duly on the heels of this it is explained that the profane
purposes will most likely be ‘profane’ to God and not
the believers because only a few will know that this whole
religious reverence is a sham beginning the Tribulation period.It
goes on to say
…And
all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and
exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the
Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age
through the three secretly united in the search for death,
treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed
Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this
sect will extend around the world. The sacrifice of the hole and
immaculate Wafer will be sustained.
Here Nostradamus zooms in on the empire that follows the war of
the Goat an the Ram in Daniel 8, and one horn of the victorious
‘Gallic Ogmios’ or western leader/goat will be replaced
by 4 which I suspect will be 4 huge spheres of influence or
quadrants mentioned as the 4 heads on the leopard beast with 4
wings…three of which will be the prominent ones or the
‘triumvirate’ that will last for 7 years almost
heralding the last week of Daniel 9:27 and during which time the
church and its Eucharistic ritual will be sustained and this
could also speak for both Christian ritual and Judaic ritual in
the temple. Anyway this triumvirate will be conquered by the 4th
quadrant out of which the real Antichrist arises(just like the
horn growing out of one of the 4 horns on the goat uprooting 3 as
mentioned on the 4th beast in Daniel 7:8)where Nostradamus in
Quatrain 8.77 says
The
antichrist very soon annihilates the three,
twenty-seven years his war will last.
The unbelievers are dead, captive, exiled;
with blood, human bodies, water and red hail covering the earth.
However before this happens the victorious west is described thus
by Nostradamus
The
Christian Church will be persecuted more fiercely than it ever
was in Africa, and this will last up to the year 1792, which they
will believe to mark a renewal of time.After this the Roman
people will begin to re-establish themselves, chasing away some
obscure shadows and recovering a bit of their ancient glory. But
this will not be without great division and continual changes.
Thereafter Venice will raise its wings very high in great force
and power, not far short of the might of ancient Rome.
This prophecy has a double meaning and could be interpreted in
two ways either… By 1 starting from 1792 in which it still
applies as a true historic narrative..that sees an important
change in all Europe after the French revolution where republics
slowly replaced monarchies in Europe.This given as a vision to
Daniel as the lion with wings (representing monarchy) whose wings
are torn off and he becomes a man…this revolution led to
subsequent revolutions in the 1830’s and 1848 and began the
unification of Italy and Germany as republics which as we shall
see figure prominently in his narrative as ‘Annemarc’
and the ‘Latins’ and more recently a true empire
mirroring ancient Rome as the European Union .Then the Bear (the
second beast after the lion-turned man) arises with 3 ribs in its
teeth and is told to eat flesh.The 3 ribs are 3 world wars ..the
first is the 1st Holocaust-WW1 that leads to the rise of
Lenin’s empire of Attila(USSR), the 2nd world war gave the
birth to the second bear China and the 3rd world war destroys the
Sino-Russian alliance (the Ram) to give way to the 4 headed
empire of the Leopard(the third beast) which is followed by the
empire of the Antichrist(4th beast)
OR 2:… this prophecy can be fast forwarded to start from the
rebuilding of Europe after WW3 as the 3 kings of Aquilon(the
North) in which case there are two kings who defeat the Orientals
and a 3rd king comes much later after as a savior against the
ravages of the king of the South. The epistle says
It
will be at this time and in these countries that the infernal
power will set the power of its adversaries against the Church of
Jesus Christ. This will constitute of the second antichrist, who
will persecute that Church and its true Vicar, by means of the
power of three temporal kings who in their ignorance will be
seduced by tongues which, in the hands of the madmen, will cut
more than any sword.
This is a dual prophecy also. In the first instance it could be
taken to mean that since 1792 there have been persecutions
against the church beginning with the Reign of Terror in France
and capped off by Napoleonic conquest,(if we are to take him as
the 1st antichrist and not Lenin), then the second antichrist
could be a dual head of Hitler and Stalin or even the Oriental
king of WW3(if it’s the oriental then he is yet to be
revealed) with the 3rd antichrist being the real and final beast
of Revelation 13 and Daniel 7,8 and 9
In the second instance here the 2nd antichrist is one of the 3
kings of the triumvirate or one of the 3 kings of Aquilon, who
turns out a very oppressive and destructive despot earning him
this title . However most likely each of the 3 temporal kings all
will sequentially get more and more anti-Christian over time
leading up to the real Antichrist of the great tribulation. So
all 3 kings are summed up as the 2nd antichrist since we can
assume that the empire of Attila the antichrist that speaks of
Lenin encapsulates Lenin, Stalin,Hitler and every totalitarian
tyrant of the better part of the 20th century
Some Nostradamus aficionados claims that Nostradamus mentions
Hitler in the quatrains but go as far as to say he mentions him
in the epistle to Henry II calling him ‘the 2nd
antichrist’ directly in the epistle.The following
interpretation is their argument
It
will be at this time and in these countries that the infernal
power will set the power of its adversaries against the Church of
Jesus Christ. This will constitute of the second antichrist, who
will persecute that Church and its true Vicar, by means of the
power of three temporal kings (Paul von Hindenburg, King Victor Emmanuel III and
Hirohito of Japan) who in their ignorance will be seduced by
tongues which, in the hands of the madmen (Hitler, Mussolini/Count Ciano, Hideki
Tojo),
will cut more than any sword.
The
said reign of the Antichrist will last only to the death of him
who was born at the beginning of the age (Hitler born in 1889) and of the other
one of Lyon (Pierre
Laval) associated
with the elected one of the House of Modena and of Ferrara (Benito Mussolini), maintained by the Adriatic
Ligurians and the proximity of great Sicily. Then the Great St.
Bernard will be passed.
(Editor's note: By this point I become a bit suspicious that Angelo is copying directly from my sample chapters that appear on this website. After all, Pierre Laval is not one of those historical figures that your average Nostradamus scholar will associate with the above excerpt, opting usually for Marshall Petain, if applying it to the Second World War ... indeed, except for mention of Count Ciano, all the figures listed above look like they were lifted directly from my sample chapters ... I do not accuse Angelo of doing anything underhanded, but I do direct him to the pages these same excerpts appear in)
I must admit this is a close fit
but I do not believe that the line that comes just before ‘and what
was before a great city shall become a house, including the
Pompotam and Mesopotamia of Europe, in 45, and others to 41, 42,
and 37degrees’ has anything to do with years that are conspicuously
close to the timeline of WW2. Nostradamus in his quatrains always
mentions degrees in a geographical sense especially latitudes
that correspond with empires
The better and closer fitting mention of Hitler is if first of
all the Gallic Ogmios is Napoleon and then we do take the First
antichrist empire of Lenin as the USSR and then take Hitler as
one of the terrible kings of Aquilon. Even though this puts the
king before WW3 Hitler can indeed be seen as the first king of
Aquilon or Europe who tried to establish a Germanic/Teutonic some
could even say a Roman super empire but failed.
The astonishing prophecy that fits this scenario is within the
same epistle where it says
The
Gallic Ogmios will be accompanied by so great a number that the
Empire of his great law will extend very far. For some time
thereafter the blood of the Innocent will be shed profusely by
the recently elevated guilty ones. Then, because of great floods,
the memory of things contained in these instruments will suffer
incalculable loss, even letters. This will happen to the
‘Aquiloners" [the Northern People] by the will of God.
Then he goes on to say:
In the
Epistle that some years ago I dedicated to my son, César
Nostradamus, I declared some points openly enough, without
presage. But here, Sire, are included several great and marvelous
events which those to come after will see.During this
astrological, supputation harmonized with the Holy Scriptures,
the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin
in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon" [the North],
united with the Easterners. This persecution will last for eleven
years, or somewhat less, for then the chief King of
"Aquilon" will fall.
As pertains to Hitler it is more important to look at the second
paragraph because it is here where he is mentioned from another
epistle written by Nostradamus for his son.Where Nostradamus says
the persecution of Christians will have its origin in the
‘Kings of Aquilon’ or the ‘Kings of the
North’..The first King is Lenin who is mentioned as the 1st
Antichrist, he did start the persecution before Hitler but in
reality when one factors how much Hitler hated the Jews and how
he unleashed a true Holocaust using pagan and occult overtones
then one can scarcely doubt true persecution began with him.In a
way he does deserve to be called the 2nd antichrist. What is more
Hitler a king of Aquilon ‘Europe’ was united with the
Easterners…this is very true when one considers that not
only did Hitler initially ally himself with Stalin in the early
part of the war but even more conclusively throughout the war he
allied himself with Japan which is the ‘land of the rising
son’ in the far east…It is undoubtedly the Japanese who
are the easterners in this case. It all makes sense, moreover the
timescale of the persecution of eleven years or less is very true
anywhere between 1933-1944. If we factor in that Hitler the chief
King of Aquilon(read Europe) fell after 11 years in power we see
this is another unmistakable and remarkable prophecy
That said though the prophecy is more applicable strictly in a
post WW3 aftermath for while historically the Gallic Ogmios is a
befitting title for Napoleon and what followed his empire
…revolutions ,wars and emergence of totalitarianism and
aspiration for empire by the Communists and Nazis ….It could
speak better for what follows the death of the great EU/US
warrior who is the first Horn of the Goat who rescued Europe from
the annihilation of the Orientals mentioned in Daniel 8. This
person is the Chief king of Aquilon who falls after ruling an
empire for 11 years after which comes the triumvirate. This
concurs with Daniel’s narrative because the horn of the goat
after defeating the ram is powerful enough to conquer others for
a while before it gives way to 4 kings ,which are the 4 heads of
the leopard with 4 wings in both cases we can count the first
king as the 1st giving way to 4 where three of these each control
an individual nation forming a triumvirate …at this point
the most obvious candidates are the EU,Russia and USA all being
northern states and the last quarter being under the king of the
south or east as mentioned.The antichrist probably overthrows
these three nations but as to whether he comes from the south,
east or north/west is unknown .All that is said in Daniel 8 and
7:8 is that the new horn grows uprooting three in three different
directions.
The 3rd king of Aquilon mentioned by Nostradamus himself comes
before the antichrist and so is kind of a proto antichrist called
the 3rd king .He will prepare the way for the arrival of the true
antichrist and he is described as being one of the 3 temporal
kings. He could be and probably is in fact the one who defeats
the Orientals and establishes the empire that breaks into 4
quadrants however I think since Nostradamus puts him at the end
of the narrative just before the real antichrist arrives then I
believe he will be the king who succeeds the two Aquilon kings
that battle the kings of the east(Orientals)and the South in
WW3.The first king the Gallic Ogmios is the horn of the Goat
broken, the two that follow form one half of the 4 new
horns…the other two are taken individually to mean a king of
the east and a king of the south So the 3rd Aquilonian king in
particular will battle the terrible king of the South and the one
of the east after the two preceding kings of the north have
passed.
Thereupon
the same thing will occur in the South, where for the space of
three years the Church people will be persecuted even more
fiercely through the Apostatic seduction of one who will hold all
the absolute power in the Church militant. The holy people of
God, the observer of his law, will be persecuted fiercely and
such will be their affliction that the blood of the true
Ecclesiastics will flow everywhere.
One of
the horrible temporal Kings will be told by his adherents, as the
ultimate in praise, that he has shed more of human blood of
Innocent Ecclesiastics than anyone else could have spilled of
wine. This King will commit incredible crimes against the Church.
Human blood will flow in the public streets and temples, like
water after an impetuous rain, coloring the nearby rivers red
with blood. The ocean itself will be reddened by another naval
battle, such that one king will say to another, Naval battles
have caused the sea to blush.
Then,
in this same year, and in those following, there will ensue the
most horrible pestilence, made more stupendous by the famine
which will have preceded it. Such great tribulations will never
have occurred since the first foundation of the Christian Church.
It will cover all Latin regions, and will leave traces in some
countries of the Spanish.
Thereupon
the third King of "Aquilon" [the North], hearing the
lament of the people of his principal title, will raise a very
mighty army and, defying the tradition of his predecessors, will
put almost everything back in its proper place, and the great
Vicar of the hood will be put back in his former state. But
desolated, and then abandoned by all, he will turn to find the
Holy of Holies destroyed by paganism, and the old and new
Testaments thrown out and burned.
In the bible the 3rd northern king is mentioned just before the
entrance of the antichrist just like Nostradamus does in the
epistle. This king is mentioned briefly by Daniel 11:14-19
‘
In those times many will rise against the king of the
south….then the king of the North will come …the forces
of the south will be powerless to resist ,even their best troops
will not have the strength to stand against him. He will
establish himself in the beautiful land and will have the power
to destroy it. He will determine to come with the might of the
entire kingdom and will make an alliance with the king of the
south’..... ‘after this he will turn back towards the
fortress of his country but will stumble and fall, to be seen no
more’.
I believe this will be the king who will make a covenant of peace
that will be broken by the real antichrist who follows him. This
king unlike the antichrist will die probably in battle.
The pestilence mentioned is probably a brief mention of the
trumpet judgements on the earth…because it covers all the
Latin regions or regions that have the Latin alphabet which
include North America and Europe while the regions of the Spanish
most likely means Latin America.Noticably all these regions are
predominantly Christian which is worth noting. In the bible
before the antichrist comes onto the scene several celestial
judgements occur and the two witnesses of Revelation have the
power to stop rain falling and striking the world with
pestilence.Just as the antichrist’s herald the false prophet
has the ability to bring fire from the sky
Interestingly the bible mentions that even though the antichrist
will be the one to uproot the 3 horns it will be God’s
victory which the cunning son of perdition will claim for
himself.
The bible says in Zacheriah 11:6 God said "For I
will no longer have pity on the people of the land. I will hand
everyone over to his neighbour and his king. They will oppress
the land and I will not rescue them from their hands.So I
pastured a flock marked for slaughter, particularly the oppressed
flock. Then I took two staffs and called one favour and the other
union and I pastured the flock .In one month I got rid of the 3
shepherds”. This
is an astonishing prophecy that speaks of the same event with a
human agent of the horn uprooting 3 horns in Daniel 7:8) .In the
same chapter the antichrist is described vividly in Zachariah
11:16-17 ‘
For I am going to raise up a shepherd over the land who will not
take care for the lost, or seek the young ,or heal the injured
,or feed the healthy but will eat the meat of the choice sheep,
tearing off their hoofs. Woe to this worthless shepherd who
deserts the flock! May the sword strike his arm and his right
eye. May his arm be completely withered, his right eye totally
blinded’
Some quatrain prophecies of Nostradamus do mention of a one eyed
king wether this is the antichrist is yet to be known
Biblically this is when the Antichrist enters the scene in Daniel
11:21-24
‘He
(the 3rd king of Aquilon) will be succeeded by a contemptible
person (the real antichrist) who was not given the honour of
royalty..he will invade the kingdom..and seize it by intrigue, he
will act deceitfully ,and with only a few people he will rise to
power . Then an overwhelming army will be will be swept away
before him..When the richest provinces feel secure ,he will
invade them and will do what neither his fathers nor his
forefathers did. He will distribute plunder loot and wealth among
his followers..he will plot the overthrow of fortresses’
In Daniel 8:9 it further says
‘Out
of one of them(one of the 4 horns) came another horn which
started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and
towards the Beautiful Land(Israel).It grew until it reached the
host of heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the
earth and trampled them. It set itself up to be as great as the
Prince of the Host(Jesus);it took away the daily sacrifice from
him and the place of his sanctuary was brought low.’
Nostradamus in his own words says this much of the true
Antichrtist
After
that Antichrist will be the infernal prince again, for the last
time. All the Kingdoms of Christianity will tremble, even those
of the infidels, for the space of twenty-five years. Wars and
battles will be more grievous and towns, cities, castles and all
other edifices will be burned, desolated and destroyed, with
great effusion of vestal blood, violations of married woman and
widows, and sucking children dashed and broken against the walls
of towns. By means of Satan, Prince Infernal, so many evils will
be committed that nearly all the world will find itself undone
and desolated. Before these events, some rare birds will cry in
the air: Hui, Hui [Today, today] and some time later will vanish.
After
this has endured for a long time, there will be almost renewed
another reign of Saturn, and golden age. Hearing the affliction
of his people, God the Creator will command that Satan be cast
into the depths of the bottomless pit, and bound there. Then a
universal peace will commence between God and man, and Satan will
remain bound for around a thousand years, and then all unbound.
Hello Angelo,
I read your letter with great interest. You are a true scholar
indeed. Although I disagree with your findings, you may well be
right and I wrong.
I conduct a thorough analysis of the entire Epistle to Henry II
on http://www.newprophecy.net/secondkey.htm
It begins about a third of the way down. The first third is
related prelude material about the "four notable ones"
who appear in Daniel 11 and, I believe, also in the Epistle to
Henry II.
This page is called "The Second Key" and is one of
several sample chapters from my book on Nostradamus, Nostradamus
and the Final Age, published in its entirety on limited CD
ROM editions in 2001-2003. Aside from my mistaken notion that
Jacques Chirac might one day be the Chiren selin found
in the Quatrains, the entire book remains as valid today as it
did in 2001 (indeed as it did after first publication in 1998).
However, I have plans for a new book since I have had access
these last ten years to more prophecies than I could ever hope to
have had access to in a public or university library or even a
large bookstore back in my pre-Internet years during the late
1980s and the 1990s (I first went online in 1999). What happens
(or hopefully fails to happen) by 2011 or else the end
of of the Mayan cycle in December 2012 will determine how this
improved book will actually shape up ... or if there will even be
a book at all.
Anyway, you will find when you read my analysis of the Epistle to
Henry II why I believe this 73 years and 7 month old "New
Babylon" is not about the Soviet Union. You are completely
correct about the geographic locations of the expansive
"Attila" region; however "Xerxes" is also
part of the Empire of Antichrist and Xerxes was king of Persia
(Iran). Persia/Iran was never a part of Russia or the Soviet
Union. Persia is listed as a second important ally by Nostradamus
and Daniel refers to Persia as one of two horns of a ram that
declares war on the West. The other horn, "Media"
comprised not only part of Iraq and Iran, but also Turkey and
part of Russia and the former Soviet Union. Thus the Medes or
Media can be considered Russia/former Soviet Union. Please do
note that Russia and Iran have had a strong defence pact since
the early 2000s and are also partners in nuclear technology and
its military applications (having been nuclear allies since
1995). I should add that Daniel, at the beginning of his 11th
chapter, even says that the King of Persia will be the ally who
actually declares war on the West.
Also, there is no reason for Nostradamus to have predicted
"great earthquakes" in the spring of 1917 and spring of
1918, and "the earth losing its natural motion and going
down into perpetual darkness" during the October 1917
Russian Revolution. Nothing of this sort occurred then. Nor did
an extraordinary eclipse of the sun occur at noon day in 1916 or
1917 that lasted for most of the day such as the one that
supposedly occurred during the Crucifixion of Christ.
This reference to "great earthquakes" and the earth
being plunged into darkness is clearly a reference to the
biblical opening of the sixth seal of Revelation and the
"great earthquake" felt worldwide and other apocalyptic
earth changes and space-based events that follow (ie, the effect
Planet X will have upon our world during an especially close
passage). Mother Shipton says it will pass us twice, and no one
can say how long the interval in between the first destructive
passage and the second, more horrific passage will be that will
cause unprecedented global depopulation. According to
pre-Columbian Mexican texts, Hebrew, Babylonian, etc a 52-year
period transpired between visitations of a large celestial object
and its accompanying cataclysmic effects on our planet during the
time of Exodus. I am not suggesting that this time between PX
inward and outward passages there will be a 52-year interval ...
indeed, it could be a greater or lesser period of time. One
possible date Nostradamus gives in Quatrain 2.65 for a future
passage of Planet X is December 2044.
In any event, to see where I stand on the interpretation of the
Epistle to Henry II, which I regard as the true key to
understanding Nostradamus if taken along with Daniel's
prophecies, please do read http://www.newprophecy.net/secondkey.htm
A few of my views have changed, one of them regarding the nature
of time and the ability of events to be postponed or protracted
in length. I now regard the other dating for Armageddon, AD 2827,
to be as valid as AD 2242-43. It is clear Nostradamus sees a
possibility, although I believe it to be quite remote, for events
in 2242-43 to be postponed until 2827.
Thank you for your interest and support of my website.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: angelo
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:08 AM
Subject: Hi Mike (deciphering of the dame, 4 Children prophecy +
the 3 days of Darkness)
Hi Mike,
I am very very happy that you replied. I actually thought you
would not. Now I have saved your e-mail in my contacts.I really
love reading prophecies and also have a keen interest of
interpreting them right and not like the '2000 club'
Anyway I like your very comprehensive research, in fact I'm keen
to know if that book with the Keys and antichrists of Nostradamus
is complete? I would love to read the other chapters.I live in
Uganda and here books on prophecy in bookshops are rare .Anyway
Mike I really do beleive that the prophecy of Nostradamus about
the empire of the antichrist of Attila has to do with the USSR. I
mean sure Nostradamus has a good accuracy rate .To get the length
of the empire's existance is astonishing, not to mention pinpoint
October as a focal month of the October revolution, the reversals
of kingdoms before and soon after...the first Holocaust being
WW1. It is possible he saw superimposed visions of two events as
one.The mention of the darkening planet and losing gravity sounds
a lot like the events of Seal 6 in the book of Revelation
6:12-17 and Joel 2:30-31, Joel
3:15-16, Isaiah 34:4 Though I think
this happens before the real antichrist takes his throne.
I am not faulting the seer at all but I just think he put that
event in the wrong timeline.For example the closest trully
disastrous celestial event near that time of the Russian
revolution was the Tunguska meteor or comet air burts in Siberia
in 1908.There were a few earthquakes I think in San Fransisco in
1906 and volcanic eruptions on Martinique.
Alternatively and you may not agree with this interpretation and
I just put it as an afterthought.The empire of attila could
actually be the Mongoloid brothers of the Huns the Chinese and so
the empire of the Antichrist is Mao tse Tung's China...Now before
you object it too apparently came into being(the P.R.C) on 1st
October 1949. Offcourse the rebellion began somewhere in the mid
1930's and only the second world war made Chiang Kai Shek put his
differences with Mao aside to fight the Japanese. Again the fact
that it followed a Holocaust is astonishing because in the true
sense of the word WW2 was a real Holocaust and I suspect
Nostradamus here is not talking about the 'Final solution' but
the first use of atomic weapons.It fits in well if he foresees as
you say world war 3 and 4 as the other Holocausts that involve
nuclear conflagration.
Now having said that we could brace ourselves for Communist China
to last about 73 years in that event this year of true Communist
collapse is c.2022...what is more this could tie in with the
prophecy of an invasion of Europe from the east.It could well be
that the defeat in ww3 precipitates this collapse. At this point
it is hard to see China allying with Perisa but a Sino-Russian
alliance seems likely. I personally tie WW3 as the war started by
the Ram with 2 horns and defeated by the Goat from the west just
as you do.
Mike I would like to ask you where do you get your quatrains
because .I too have some quatrains and the epistle but mine seems
to differ in the wording a little bit.A classic example is
quatrain 8.77
You say it says the Third antichrist is annihilated and some
people say so too but my quatrain says
The
antichrist very soon annihilates the three,
twenty-seven years his war will last.
The unbelievers are dead, captive, exiled;
with blood, human bodies, water and red hail covering the earth.
Now I see this one makes more biblical sense because this event
is spoken of by Daniel in daniel 7.8(here out of the 10 horns
grows one uprooting three) and 8.9(here out of one of the 4 horns
on the goat a horn grows in three directions...probably subduing
the other three) and also a lesser mentioned prophecy in
Zacheriah 11.6 where God himself says he will destroy 3 leaders
or kings in one month (which I think will be through a human
agent -the antichrist)
Besides nowhere in the bible does it say there will be 3
antchrists only 1 ,but I do agree that there will be
proto-antichrists as you mention making way for the real
antichrist.In fact I have a feeling people read the book of
Revelations a little wrong in Rev 17:10 it says the 7 heads are 7
kings ‘
Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, but when he
does come he must remain for a little while’.
Now many people see the angel Apollyon of the 5th trumpet of Rev
9 as an an angel but in fact he is a man , a king and so also are
the 4 angels bount at the river Euphrates in trumpet 6 .They are
not angels but kings and they are the ones who wreak havoc before
the antichrist comes.
This I explained in my analysis of the epistle, I don't know if
you read it in its entirety. In Daniel surprisingly we are given
the same scenario starting from the Goat of the west 1 horn,
being replaced by 4 horns and out of one horn comes another (this
5th horn is actually the 6th if we count the first horn of the
goat) he subdues the horn he grew out of most definitely and then
proceeds to destroy the other 3 horns all in all 5 horns make way
for the 6th. Now I suppose the 6th horn may be the antichrist
before his resucitation or miraculous recovery after a fatal
wound in which case he is both the 6th 'was', is not and yet is
'the 7th head'. It is this 7th king who becomes the 8th because
do the math On the 4th and final beast in Daniel 7 there are 10
horns 10-3 = 7 but because while 3 are uprooted one grows in
their place leaving him as the 8th horn!!!
Now you know as well as I do we can even count the heads of
Revelation as horns of daniel in another way.Assuming we factor
in the beaten Ram as an alliance of 2 'proto-antichrist'
kings,then the goat horn of the west becomes the 3rd horn, then
the 4 horns after him become horn 4,5,6 and 7 and yes out of one
of these for simplicity's sake horn no.7 comes horn no.8 and it
is one with the 7th and also the 8th....SEE the prophecy is still
intact.
What is astonishing is many people miss a real physical
description of the real antichrist in Zacheriah and frighteningly
Nostradamus describes him as having one eye and with your
reserach on Celtic mythology of Bedwyr having one arm.
Look at this amazing biblical prophecy in Zacheriah 11:16-17
‘
For I am going to raise up a shepherd over the land who will not
take care for the lost, or seek the young ,or heal the injured
,or feed the healthy but will eat the meat of the choice sheep,
tearing off their hoofs. Woe to this worthless shepherd who
deserts the flock! May the sword strike his arm and his right
eye. May his arm be completely withered, his right eye totally
blinded’
Amazingly this somehow corraborates Nostradmus' vision of an
event where a king loses his eye and probably lives on.I think
this is the antichrist because this verse in the bible comes on
the heels of Zacheriah 11:6 where God says he will destroy 3
kings...I think he does this through a human agent and naturally
the antichrist takes the credit for god's judgement it is at this
point where his false prophet calls fire from heaven and claims
it as his judgement yet it is God's anyway God says in Zacheriah
11:16
"For
I will no longer have pity on the people of the land. I will hand
everyone over to his neighbour and his king. They will oppress
the land and I will not rescue them from their hands.So I
pastured a flock marked for slaughter, particularly the oppressed
flock. Then I took two staffs and called one favour and the other
union and I pastured the flock .In one month I got rid of the 3
shepherds”
Anyway Mike I think I do agree with you but generally I think
instead of 2244 ,we may see the antichrist rise up a century
earlier like c.2144. As I said I think the Chinese communists may
soon be the scourge of the earth and may be the true empire of
Attila.Though I think they are the Dog of Dohan orientals spoken
of by Nostradamus and the antichrist of Attila's empire is
Lenin's Russia. I still think so.
Though how come you never mention a quatrain that follows right
after 2.29 ...in quatrain 2.30 it mentions a king from the
infernal acestry of Hannibal who is truly terrible and brings
much destruction to Rome.
It says
2.30
One who the infernal gods of Hannibal
Will cause to be reborn, terror of mankind
Never more horror nor worse of days
In the past than will come to the Romans through Babel.
Hannibal was from Carthage modern day North Africa and Spain so
could this be the evil Mendosus?? I am suprised you do not have
that quatrain mentioned anywhere in your work yet it is one
probable mention of a proto antichrist maybe Raypoz or the Dog of
Dohan(if my assumption that the 73 year old Babylon is the
People's Republic of China is still to come to pass)... that
quatrain says no worse horror comes to Rome(I read it as Europe)
than through Babel could this be the conquest by this person
mentioned in the quatrain just before??
2.29
The Easterner will leave his seat,
To pass the Apennine mountains to see Gaul:
He will transpire the sky, the waters and the snow,
And everyone will be struck with his rod.
I also have a crazy idea about the whole barren lady and her 4
children business but,I'll leave that for another time.I'm still
putting that jigsaw together and it is quite hard a prophecy to
ponder at the beginning of the epistle.
Though I would like to know where you get your prophecies of jean
Dixon because I have lots of the prophecies by Dimitri
Duduman,The Hopi and scores of others but none by Jean Dixon.She
seems to be very correct in predicting a third world war
originating in the east.
I would recommend you try to analyse the prophecy of Daniel of
the 4 beasts ...it is as amazing as the one of the Goat and the
Ram ...many people say well Daniel was crazy just talking of
Babylon,Medo-Persia,Alexander the great and ancient Rome HOW
wrong!!.People do not realise that he was talking of true empires
whose spheres of influence far exceeded anything in ancient days
moreover they all come out of the sea one after the other and
stand side by side meaning that they are cumulative and not
necessarily successive... as I said the Lion with wings is the
democratic 'west' born in the late 18th century out of the French
and American revolutions.Notice Lion stands for the Anglo while I
think wings stand for the Franco and the telling symbol of a
beast becoming a man ..monarchy becoming a republic.
Then the Bear stands for Communism in total. It has 3 ribs
between its teeth and is told to eat Flesh ...I always wondered
what this meant and then it struck me that the 3 bones are the 3
symbols of death.... 3 world wars and out of the First came
Russia(USSR), out of the second came Communist China and I think
out of the 3rd will come something else.This is the war probably
caused by a Russo-Sino alliance of the Ram leading to an even
worse empire of 4 horns and 4 heads the Leopard with 4 wings
Now there is a little known prophecy of Russian origin (I am part
Russian myself) I landed on and it is very ominous.It's simply
called a Starets prophecy ..'Starets' in Russian means old person
especially an old man.It is traced to c.1840
It goes:
"The
last century of the millennium is a mountain, on which sleep
three beasts (wars). The first will wake up in the beginning of
the path (century). And from its throat will come out blood. The
second will wake up in the middle of the path. And from its
throat will come out fire. The third will wake up at the end of
the path. And from its throat will come the terrible
heresy."
Another prophecy by Mother shipton also sees a significance of 3
events
Three
times shall lovely sunny France
Be led to play a bloody dance
Before the people shall be free
Three tyrant rulers shall she see.
Three rulers in succession be
Each springs from different dynasty.
Then when the fiercest strife is done
England and France shall be as one.
I do not know if the first Tyrant could have been
Napoleon...though I doubt he is even the first antichrist many
people say he is.I think the rulers here are foreigners she even
hints on that .The first is definitely Hitler,The second must be
the Dog of Dohan(oriental) the third probably the antichrist of
the book of revelation.Notice this kind of corroborates the
epistle because as I said I think Nostradamus talks of the 1st
Holocaust being WW2 probably because in part it was a true war of
carnage of the innocent,it had the final solution and the first
atomic casualties.Plus though the European union exists already
England and France are not one and amazingly this could be why
the 3rd empire of Daniel is a Leopard with 4 wings if again
Leopard is some Anglo-Franco superpower including USA and Canada
as the other heads then we see how the Goat of the west gives way
to these 4 powerful horns.I'm beginning to think we are at a
crossroads or a checkpoint of crossing over from beast two to
beast three and seeing how empires take anywhere between 60-100
years to crystalize it is still within the timeframe for the true
beast of Revelation and Daniel 8.9 and 7.8 to show himself in
c.2160
She also says later on in another prophecy which I think alludes
to three world wars
Yet
greater sign there be to see
As man nears latter century
Three sleeping mountains gather breath
And spew out mud, and ice and death.
And earthquakes swallow town and town,
In lands as yet to me unknown.
I will end here and please get back to me with your thoughts
……
This seems a very confusing
prophecy within the Epistle to Henry II by Nostradamus but in
fact I think it makes sense if read not literally but
allegorically.I try to explain this below
For
God will take notice of the long barrenness of the great dame,
who thereupon will conceive two principal children. But she will
be in danger, and the female to whom she will have given birth
will also, because of the temerity of the age, be in danger of
death in her eighteenth year, and will be unable to live beyond
her thirty-sixth year. She will leave three males, and one
female, and of these two will not have had the same father.
There will be great differences between the three brothers, and
then there will be such great cooperation and agreement between
them that the three and four parts of Europe will tremble. The
youngest of them will sustain and augment the Christian monarchy,
and under him sects will be elevated, and suddenly cast down,
Arabs will be driven back, kingdoms united and new laws
promulgated.
The oldest one will rule the land whose escutcheon is that of the
furious crowned lions with their paws resting upon intrepid arms.
The
one second in age, accompanied by the Latins, will penetrate far,
until a second furious and trembling path has been beaten to the
Great St. Bernard Pass. From there he will descend to mount the
Pyrenees, which will not, however, be transferred to the French
crown. And this third one will cause a great inundation of human
blood, and for a long time Lent will not include March.
The daughter will be given for the preservation of the Christian
Church. Her lord will fall into the pagan sect of the new
infidels. Of her two children, one will be faithful to the
Catholic Church, the other an infidel.
The unfaithful son, who, to his great confusion and later
repentance, will want to ruin her, will have three widely
scattered regions, namely, the Roman, Germany and Spain, which
will set up diverse sects by armed force. The 50th to the 52th
degree of latitude will be left behind.
And all will render the homage of ancient religions to the region
of Europe north of the 48th parallel. The latter will have
trembled first in vain timidity but afterwards the regions to its
west, south and east will tremble. But the nature of their power
will be such that what has been brought about by concord and
union will prove insuperable by warlike conquests.
In nature they will be equal, but very different in faith.
After this the barren Dame, of greater power than the second,
will be received by two of the nations. First, by them made
obstinate by the onetime masters of the universe. Second, by the
latter themselves.
The
third people will extend their forces towards the circuit of the
East of Europe where, in the Pannonias, they will be overwhelmed
and slaughtered. By sea they will extend their Myrmidons and
Germans to Adriatic Sicily. But they will succumb wholly and the
Barbarian sect will be greatly afflicted and driven out by all
the Latins.
This is a veiled but very accurate prophecy about Europe and the
3 world wars. Now the dame is not a queen but the allegory for
Europa the Greek ‘female’ metaphor for Europe. Here
Nostradamus summarises in a sort of epilogue what will happen to
Europe before he goes into detail in his epistle.
The 3 sons are the 3 world wars that follow the 1st world war or
the daughter. The daughter is what I believe to be the mention of
WW1, the League of Nations, and probably later UNO. Notice But she will be in
danger, and the female to whom she will have given birth will
also, because of the temerity of the age, be in danger of death
in her eighteenth year, and will be unable to live beyond her
thirty-sixth year. She will leave three males, and one female,
and of these two will not have had the same father.
Notice Europe was going through a catastrophic war 1914-1918 now
it is on the heels of this that the League of Nations was born
but it indeed did not live beyond its 36th year. Both in terms of
of the fact that by the outbreak of WW2 it had collapsed and the
fact that by 1954 it was already long replaced by UNO.
Furthermore of the children 2 will not have had the same father.
This speaks that the daughter (WW1) and son WW2 were both caused
by Germany.
There
will be great differences between the three brothers, and then
there will be such great cooperation and agreement between them
that the three and four parts of Europe will tremble. The
youngest of them will sustain and augment the Christian monarchy,
and under him sects will be elevated, and suddenly cast down,
Arabs will be driven back, kingdoms united and new laws
promulgated.
The fact that the world wars are punctuated by some intervals but
cause the victors and vanquished to come together to cooperate is
what is meant by this paragraph. The youngest at first glance
fits very well with the Daughter(WW1) but this applies also and
even better to WW2 because it is the first war to have atomic
weapons and certainly Nostradamus sees more terrible wars to
follow. The fact that Christianity was augmented against
Communism is no doubt whether during WW1 or WW2, sects in
particular communism were elevated and others were cast down this
applies very well to de-colonization of the world after WW2 and
ensuing proxy cold wars.The Arabs could be said were driven back
after the establishment of Israel in May 1948 and this
encompasses the war of 1948,1967,1973.Kingdoms united also speaks
of Warsaw pact NATO and ANZUS alliances as well as hosts of other
alliances like AU,EU and UNO with promulgation of so many
international laws.
The
one second in age, accompanied by the Latins, will penetrate far,
until a second furious and trembling path has been beaten to the
Great St. Bernard Pass. From there he will descend to mount the
Pyrenees, which will not, however, be transferred to the French
crown. And this third one will cause a great inundation of human
blood, and for a long time Lent will not include March.
This at first seemed to me a mention of WW2 but it gets tricky
because the mention of a second furious and trembling path being
beaten to the St.Bernard Pass heralds some prophecies of WW3
where an individual attacks through Italy and Austria and the
Alps northwards and then conquers Spain or France.This war seems
to speak of either a Muslim invasion from the East or one by
Russia or China using several attack paths .This is mentioned by
several European prophets and Nostradamus too particularly in
quatrains 1.82 and 5.68 as well as 2.29 and 5.54 and Here the
conflict ,a huge one and second in age to WW2 is definitely WW3
and the clue is given when it says and this third one (if we
count the Daughter as WW1) will cause a great inundation of human
blood.
The
daughter will be given for the preservation of the Christian
Church. Her lord will fall into the pagan sect of the new
infidels. Of her two children, one will be faithful to the
Catholic Church, the other an infidel.
Here Nostradamus goes back to talk of what follows WW1 the
daughter, he says she gives way to the preservation of the
Christian church for example breaking up the Ottoman empire and
putting the Middle east under western stewardship, the creation
of the league of Nations to create peace and concord can also be
noticed. It is here where Europe is seen to fall apart into two
camps after WW1 or 1917 to be exact. The Christian west/central
Europe and the Communist eastern Europe. The former is faithful
to Christian church(Catholic/Lutheran or Protestant) and the
later ..The Communists are called infidels.
The
unfaithful son, who, to his great confusion and later repentance,
will want to ruin her, will have three widely scattered regions,
namely, the Roman, Germany and Spain, which will set up diverse
sects by armed force. The 50th to the 52th degree of latitude
will be left behind.
This talks of the hatred of the East against the west ..this
could either speak of the attempts to establish strongholds
through the Spanish civil war before WW2 in Spain, conquest of
Germany in WW2 or maybe even some future conquest or instigation
of Communist revolution in Italy thus setting up diverse
‘sects’ or outposts by armed force. This may also be a
paragraph summarizing WW3 if an invasion of Europe through
Germany, Italy and Spain occurs.
And
all will render the homage of ancient religions to the region of
Europe north of the 48th parallel. The latter will have trembled
first in vain timidity but afterwards the regions to its west,
south and east will tremble. But the nature of their power will
be such that what has been brought about by concord and union
will prove insuperable by warlike conquests.
This seems to speak of Northern Europe being victorious after WW3
because it says all will render homage to religion of northern
Europe.I think this is speaking of the victory of the horn of the
Goat(Chiren) and his subjugation of those around him whereby the
regions to the west(New World), south (Africa) and east(Eurasia)
will tremble. This will ensue conquests of a large part of the
world by the king(s) of the north in the name of peace and unity.
After
this the barren Dame, of greater power than the second, will be
received by two of the nations. First, by them made obstinate by
the onetime masters of the universe. Second, by the latter
themselves.
Here this is a dual prophecy both following WW3( resulting in its
greater power after victory of against the second male…world
war 3 ).In the first instance the two nations are the Capitalist
west europe and the defeated Communist Russia(spoken of as the
two kings united) by Nostradamus as either Pollux and Castor or
in the epistle
And then shall the Lords of Aquilon be two in number, victorious
over the Orientals, and there shall be such a great noise and
tumult of war that all the Orient shall tremble for fear of those
two brothers of the North who are not yet brothers. Here he even says one half will be those
made obstinate by the onetime masters of the Universe (the
atheists made obstinate by religion) and then the other half the
Christian west
OR…. the two halves of people warring in Europe are the
North(both Europe and Russia united) against the south. Here the
two nations warring are the Christian north against the Muslim
south. The key here is that first Europe will be received
(interpreted as conquered)by first those made obstinate by the
onetime masters of the Universe this can be interpreted in two
ways but in both cases it means Muslims 1. they are made
obstinate by the Jews(who are meant to be the onetime masters of
the Universe) or 2. the Muslims still here mentioned in their
ancient glory while they were non Islamic as the ancient
Egyptians,Assyrians,Babylonians,Persians and then reconquered by
the Christians.
The
third people will extend their forces towards the circuit of the
East of Europe where, in the Pannonias, they will be overwhelmed
and slaughtered. By sea they will extend their Myrmidons and
Germans to Adriatic Sicily. But they will succumb wholly and the
Barbarian sect will be greatly afflicted and driven out by all
the Latins.
It does not mention whether this is WW4 against the 3rd male (in
which case this is the 4th world war) this is probably the war of
the Antichrist coming onto the scene mentioned in 8.77 or the war
of Gog and Magog mentioned in Ezekiel 38/39 . I believe is the
war spoken of against the Middle East and Far East in Rev 9:13-20
and against the Kings of the east in Rev 16:12 also mentioned in
Zacheriah 11:6. Nostradamus only briefly mentions the character
who the antichrist will war against a certain king from Babylon
(probably the Islamic Mahdi) in quatrain 2.30. So at this time
the character of 2.30 is the king of the south (allied with the
east) and the real antichrist is the king of the North and his
victory against the southern and eastern kings is in no
doubt…they will succumb wholly and the ‘Barbarian
sect’ which Nostradamus always calls Islam will be greatly
afflicted and driven out by all the Latins(Europeans or
northerners).
In an unrelated but recurring prophecy I though I would help
corroborate it with Nostradamus’ quatrains where it is also
mentioned. There is always talk of the 3 days of darkness or
celestial judgment during which a large part of the earth is
desolated. I believe this is the judgment spoken of by
Nostradamus in quatrain 1.46
1.46
Very near Auch, Lectoure and Mirande
a great fire will fall from the sky for three nights.
The cause will appear both stupefying and marvelous;
shortly afterwards there will be an earthquake.
Now this is also spoken of by other prophets and not only Alois
Irlmaier who mentions 72 hours of darkness.
During
the war the big darkness comes, which last 72 hours. It will
become dark at a day during the war. Then a hail impact,
consisting of lightening and thunder, breaks out and an
earthquake vibrates the earth. Please do not go out of the house
at this time. The lights do not burn, except candle light, the
current stops. Who inhales the dust, gets a cramp and dies. Do
not open the windows, cover it completely with black
paper...Outside the death by dust goes around, many humans die.
After 72 hours everything is over. But again: Do not go out of
the house, do not look out of the windows, and keep the candle
light burning. And pray. Overnight there will die more humans
than in the two world wars before. Do not open the windows during
the 72 hours. The cattle falls, the grass becomes yellow and dry,
the humans will become quite yellow and black. The wind drives
the clouds of death off to the east ...
This event is also echoed by another prophet Marie-Julie
Jahenny (19th Century) she said
The
crisis will explode suddenly; the punishments will be shared by
all and will succeed one another without interruption. The three
days of darkness will be on a Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
During these three days of terrifying darkness, no windows must
be opened because no one will be able to see the earth and the
terrible color it will have in those days of punishment without
dying at once.
No one outside a shelter will survive... red clouds like blood
will move across the sky. The crash of the thunder will shake the
earth and sinister lightning will streak the heavens out of
season. The earth will be shaken to its foundations. The sea will
rise, its roaring waves will spread over the continent.
The bodies of the wicked and the just will cover the ground.
Three-quarters of the population of the globe will disappear.
Half the population of France will be destroyed.
The most detailed and lengthy description of the 3 days of
darkness is given by Padre Pio in a very
detailed prophecy. He wrote in 1950..He said
1/23/50:
Pray! Make reparation! Be fervent and practice mortifications.
Great things are at stake! Pray! Men are running toward the abyss
of Hell in great rejoicing and merry-making, as though they were
going to a masquerade ball or the wedding feast of the devil
himself! Assist Me in the salvation of souls. The measure of sin
is filled! The day of revenge, with its terrifying happenings is
near -- nearer then you can imagine! And the world is seeping in
false security! The Divine Judgment shall strike them like a
thunderbolt! These Godless and wicked people shall be destroyed
without mercy, as were the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorra of
old. Yes, I tell you their wickedness was not as great as that of
our human race today!
1/28/50: Keep your windows well-covered. Do not look out. Light a
blessed candle, which will suffice for many days. Pray the
Rosary. Read spiritual books. Make acts of Spiritual Communion,
also acts of love, which are so pleasing to Us. Pray with
outstretched arms, or prostrate on the ground, in order that many
souls may be saved. Do not go outside the house. Provide yourself
with sufficient food. The powers of nature shall be moved and a
rain of fire shall make people tremble with fear. Have courage! I
am in the midst of you.
2/07/50: Take care of the animals during these days. I am the
creator and preserver of animals as well as man. I shall give you
a few signs beforehand, at which time you should place more food
before them. I will preserve the property of the elect, including
the animals, for they shall be in need of sustenance afterwards
as well. Let no one go across the yard, even to feed the
animals-he who steps outside will perish! Cover your windows
carefully. My elect shall not see My wrath. Have confidence in
Me, and I will be your protection.
Hurricanes
of fire will pour forth from the clouds and spread over the
entire earth! Storms, bad weather, thunderbolts and earthquakes
will cover the earth for two days. An uninterrupted rain of fire
will take place! It will begin on during a very cold night. All
this is to prove that God is the Master of Creation. Those who
hope in Me, and believe in My words, have nothing to fear because
I will not forsake them, nor those who spread My message. No harm
will come to those who are in the state of grace and who seek My
Mother's protection.
That you may be prepared for these visitations, I will give you
the following signs and instructions: The night will be very
cold. The wind will roar. After a time thunderbolt will be heard.
Lock all the doors and windows. Talk to no one outside the house.
Kneel down before a crucifix, be sorry for your sins, and beg My
Mothers protection. Do not look during the earthquake, because
the anger of God is holy! Jesus does not want us to behold the
anger of God, because God's anger must be contemplated with fear
and trembling.
Those who disregard this advice will be killed instantly. The
wind will carry with it poisonous gases which will be diffused
over the entire earth. Those who suffer and die innocently will
be martyrs and they will be with Me in My Kingdom. Satan will
triumph! But in three nights, the earthquake and fire will cease.
On the following day the sun will shine again, angels will
descend from Heaven and will spread the spirit of peace over the
earth. A feeling of immeasurable gratitude will take possession
of those who survive this most terrible ordeal, the impending
punishment, with which God will visit the earth since creation.
I have chosen souls in other countries too, such as Belgium,
Switzerland, Spain, who have received these revelations so that
other countries also may be prepared. Pray Rosary, but pray it
well, so that your prayers may reach Heaven. Soon a more terrible
catastrophe shall come upon the entire world, such as never
before has been witnessed, a terrible chastisement never before
experienced!
How unconcerned men are regarding these things! Which shall so
soon come upon them, contrary to all expectations. How
indifferent they are in preparing themselves for these unheard of
events, through which they will have to pass so shortly! The
weight of divine balance has reached the earth! The wrath of My
Father shall be poured out over the entire world! I am again
warning the world through your instrumentality, as I have so
often done heretofore.
This catastrophe shall come upon the earth like a flash of
lightning! At which moment the light of the morning sun shall be
replaced by black darkness! No one shall leave the house or look
out a window from that moment on. I Myself shall come amidst
thunder and lightning. The wicked shall behold My Divine Heart.
There shall be great confusion because of this utter darkness in
which the entire earth shall be enveloped, and many, many shall
die from fear and despair.
On that day, as soon as complete darkness has set in, no one
shall leave the house or look from out of the window. The
darkness shall last a day and a night followed by another day and
night, and another day-but on the night following, the stars will
shine again, and on the next morning the sun shall rise again,
and it will be SPRINGTIME!! In the days of darkness, My elect
shall not sleep, as did the disciples in the garden. They shall
pray incessantly, and they shall not be disappointed in Me. I
shall gather My elect. Hell will believe itself to be in
possession of the entire earth, but I shall reclaim it.
Again and again I have warned men, and often have I given them
special opportunities to return to the right path; but now,
wickedness has reached its climax, and the punishment can no
longer be delayed. Tell all that the time has come in which these
things shall be fulfilled.
Yours sincerely
Angelo
Hi Angelo,
Sorry for the late reply, but you would not believe how many
letters I receive. And there is much to do with the website as
well.
Yes, the book is complete, but I have only the introduction and
first four chapters on my site. When I have the chance I will
likely put the other nine chapters up.
Yes, it is my opinion that our planet seeming to lose its orbit
and plunging into darkness is about the opening of the sixth
seal. I associate this event with the approach and flyby of
Planet X.
I think that Nostradamus saw the events in his Epistle to Henry
II occurring in sequence, except when he departs from his
narrative after introducing the two lords of the North to explain
a second genealogy and to cover a few earlier events not
discussed in the timeline (such as the French Revolution and
World War 2). I believe the start of his narrative of the four
siblings (three males and a female) and their mother, a great
queen, occur in the post-World War 3 period after the death of
Chyren. When he mentions the First Holocaust in passing, I
suspect he means World War 3.
I believe Chyren is "the great horn" Daniel says will
defeat the King of Persia in World War 3 at the beginning of
Chapter 11. Daniel says "the great horn" will be
followed by four notable ones after he dies. I have concluded
that these four notable ones are the same as the four siblings of
the great Dame that starts out his prophetic narrative in the
Epistle. Why he chose to begin with them, and not with Chyren/the
great horn or World War 3, I have no idea. Maybe he did not want
things to be too obvious. Of course I could be wrong, but it is
quite a coincidence that there are four notable ones that come to
power over the great horn's empire in Daniel and four royals in
the Epistle who rule the "three and four parts of
Europe."
As you can see, if this is true, then the entire Epistle to Henry
II is set in the future, post-World War 3, with the only
exceptions being where he departs from his narrative about the
two lords of Aquilon to number the years that have passed since
the creation of the world and several events that happened long
before the prophecy narrative's beginning (French Revolution,
World War 2, etc). He certainly does cue us unmistakably that he
is interrupting his narrative and then, after discussing these
other things, resumes the narrative where he left off.
It would be difficult for me to differ with you on your
historicist interpretation if the part of the Epistle in question
(the great revolution of the earth, creation of Babylon, war from
the Attila, etc) was truly covering
seismic/volcanic/space-originated events in 1906 and 1908, Russia
and China from 1917 to 1949, as well as the end of World War 2 in
1945. If the Epistle's point of origination is that far back,
then you may well be right about a great many things.
However, my futurist view remains that, save for a few events he
mentions when deviating once from his narrative, nearly the
entire prose prophecy begins after the death of Chyren during the
post-World War 3 period and the joint reign of the three brothers
and one sister (actually the sister gives up her reign to her
eldest son, so we should say the three brothers and their
nephew).
Regarding Quatrain 8.77 about the "third antichrist" I
agree there are several ways to translate. "Antichrist the
three will soon annihilate," "Antichrist will soon
annihilate the three," and "Antichrist three (third
antichrist) will soon be annihilated." In the twelfth
chapter of my book, not on my website, I also link that line with
the prophecy in Daniel 7 where the "little horn"
subjugates three kings. This an example of a quatrain where I
believe Nostradamus was able to use line 1 to apply it both a
"third antichrist" and also the seventh and final
antichrist (the beast). Because the beast is also heroic, he also
calls him the "fifth Hercules."
Apollyon (or Abaddon) of the 5th trumpet is indeed a king, but he
is not a human king nor is he an angel. Unfortunately, I
cannot discuss this figure at this time.
Yes, Nostradamus mentions seven antichrists in his quatrains, six
are precursors to the seventh who is the beast of Revelation.
I discuss the quatrains dealing with the beast of Revelation
having one eye in my book on http://www.newprophecy.net/antinostro.htm, (and why he is blind in one eye). I also
quote the reference to Bedwyr, Arthur, Horatio Cocles, and Odin.
You must have scanned past this part of the page.
Yes, the beast will subdue three kings. That is why the
antichrist alliance is typified as ten crowns with seven heads
during its early days. The beast will assume command of three
nations that these kings once ruled. We must assume, however, at
some point later he re-installs three other kings to take their
place since just before Armageddon he is once again in conference
with ten kings who choose to destroy the Whore of Babylon.
I agree that China may be a part of both the Attila and
later the Dog and Dogam (or Dog and Dohan, a play on Gog and
Magog). However, I tend to think the leader from the Attila will
be Muslim (thus the alliance with Xerxes who ruled ancient Iran,
that is Persia). This would make the five Central Asian
republics, Afghanistan, Siberia, Mongolia, and Xinjiang province
the likely regions, rather than all of China. The Oriental leader
associated with the Dog, on the other hand, I believe to be Gog,
prince of Meshech and Tubal (in Turkey). He will likely be
atheistic since he will seek to conquer all the Islamic nations
as well as certain of the European Christian and, by this time,
pagan nations. Does not Nostradamus say that the Oriental will
come from beyond great Tartary and leave his bloody rod in
Byzantium (Turkey again)? A conquered Russia may be involved in
the attack on Israel and Palestine, but the leader Gog will come
from the land of the Golden Horde (China/Mongolia).
No, I have not forgotten or overlooked Quatrain 2.30. Quatrain
2.30 is on several of my web pages (it is a very large website),
and I apply it on my site and in the sixth chapter of my book to
Moammar Gadhafi ... Tunisia, the land of Hannibal, being right
next door to Libya. That book chapter is not online at this time.
I also believe Moammar Gadhfi is the "king of the
south" mentioned in Daniel 11 as he is leader of the AU
(African Union). And his son, Saef, shall be greater than he.
Nostradamus also says that one day Africa shall break its ties
with Asia (the Middle East) and become mighty.
I believe Mendosa will come from Spain and will likely be a Moor.
Mendoza is a common enough Spanish name.
The predictions of Jeane Dixon came from two different books I
borrowed from the library in the early 1990s when I began writing
my book. They are listed in my bibliography (again, not online at
this time).
It is questionable whether Greece should even be considered as
one of the four empires, since it was only an empire under
Alexander. Although it is true that Greek culture had a major
impact upon Europe, the empire itself was broken up into many
parts (more than four actually), although as time passed they
resolved into the Seleucid and Ptolemaic kingdoms.
The riddle of the four beasts in Daniel is still one that
provokes many interpretations. I do discuss it in my book on http://www.newprophecy.net/antinostro.htm. However, the meaning of the final kingdom
is what really matters to me. In the Apocrypha, the Second Book
of Esdras, the final empire is compared to an eagle (which is the
imperial symbol). There shall be twelve emperors who will rule
over her in succession, then after major political changes and
some rearranging of the member states, eight more emperors will
follow (again in succession). After these, three very wicked
emperors shall follow in succession, after which will come the
brief reign of a final pair ... the most cruel and evil ones of
all (beast and false prophet). Then the eagle shall be entirely
burnt.
I think you can see that Nostradamus' final end date of AD
2242-43 is not so incredible if the future European empire is to
be ruled over by 25 emperors in succession. Even so, I am always
mindful that it is also prophesied in the Bible that part of the
end times will be shortened lest all flesh be destroyed. So,
perhaps what Nostradamus and other prophets see is the future
that would be if it is not shortened. Then again, maybe they are
seeing exactly what will be.
Yes, I certainly am aware that three days of darkness are
prophesied by many other prophets besides Alois Irlmaier. I have
many of them in my collection and I thank you for these others I
have not yet seen.
I read with great interest your analysis of the four children of
the great Dame ... and I am sure my viewers will enjoy reading it
as well. Yours is an historicist approach, however, and mine
(beginning not quite midway down http://www.newprophecy.net/secondkey.htm) is completely set in the post-World War 3
future. I have my reasons for believing this to be the correct
approach, based largely in corresponding scripture, but will
admit that there are many ways of looking at the Epistle to Henry
II, and many possible beginnings for the timeline of the
narrative prophecy. Hogue, for example, associates the four
siblings and the great Dame with four of the seven children
belonging to his patroness, Catherine de Medici. Thus, his
timeline begins not long after the death of Nostradamus.
In any event, the two major schools of prophecy, historicist vs
futurist, will continue to butt heads for many years to come when
discussing various aspects of important and large prophetic
works, particularly those found in the Bible and those written by
Nostradamus. I doubt very much there will ever be a resolution to
these two conflicting views, nor an end to the dialogues and
arguments they will inspire. Either view can be right; either can
be wrong; and either view has support and evidence to back its
claim.
Thanks again. Your views are appreciated.
Kind regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: angelo
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:25 AM
Subject: Hi Mike, it's Angelo thanks for the reply!
Hi Mike,
Well I do not doubt you have so many people to respond to. Your
website is indeed very big and I see you put a couple of
people’s responses on there. I am very flattered that you
seemed to say you will share my opinions with other viewers. That
is very kind of you, as you say you have a futurist view while I
tend to lean to a historicist one. I agree with you on so many
issues because I believe that the Epistle though being partially
fulfilled in my view, basically begins in the 20th century and so
most of it is yet to be fulfilled in this and the next century.
Like you I believe that the final empire of the antichrist is
still about two centuries off. As I said I think if we could
place ourselves in Daniel’s 4 empire timeline, we are only
in the second beast (the bear) with two bones having passed and
one more to go The 3rd world war which is the war of the Goat and
Ram. Once it is passed it will give way to the victorious horn
from Northern or North western Europe(goat), succeeded by 4
leaders who are the 4 heads on the 3rd leopard beast with 4 wings
(I strongly believe more wars will follow with at least another
global conflagration –WW4 and even celestial judgements
)….I think Nostradamus and Daniel concur on a lot of events
in their narrative with Nostradamus giving a lot more detail.
In my view though historians speak of Greece and Alexander as a
brief empire, I think Daniel was seeing millennia into the future
not a few hundred years. As I said he was seeing the empire of
Chiren and the 4 noble ones or the 4 significant leaders who
follow Chiren and inherit it.In fact no one knows for sure if all
four will rule a single empire taking turns at the helm or in
succession or even if each will rule a separate quadrant
concurrently .Any scenario is possible what is undeniable is
Daniel’s astounding accuracy so far
I strongly believe though the first Holocaust is WW2 not WW3,this
is because not only was it a witness to a true holocaust
‘Final solution’ but more importantly here Nostradamus
must have seen in his vision either mushroom clouds of the first
used atomic weapons on Japan or various firestorms of burning
bombed out cities and probably having seen that several times I
am more than sure he knew that WW2 was the first of a series of
very catastrophic wars. As I told you from my view of the
children of Europa I am not trying to dismiss WW1 as
insignificant, but if I were to mention her in comparison to what
is in store she is definitely a ‘girl’ and the boys
WW2,WW3 and WW4 will be a whole other ball game.
As regards to the Empire from the
great Tartary yes it could span the whole period of Communist
revolutions 1917-1949 speaking for Communist Russia and China.
Even though Russia is no longer Communist it seems to be
relapsing and while it is hard seeing China allying with Muslim
central Asia or say Iran maybe in some decades the tension over
the Muslim Uigur people seeking autonomy will bring the Chinese
leaders and those of central Asia and Middle East closer.
In some prophecies the east is taken to be the Middle East and in
others the Far East, whether Nostradamus saw an attack from
either one or both I am not sure. What we do know is he mentions
a war against the easterners in the Epistle and by my deciphering
the prologue of the 4 children of the Dame(Europe) WW3 and WW4
both have to do with repelling an attack from the east. If the
Attila leader is a Muslim from Central Asia, allied with the
prince of Meshech(some bible interpreters read this as
Moscow/Russia) and Tubal (Turkey)… the 3rd world war is
definitely the war of the Ram and Goat(I also suppose this is the
war started by the conqueror on the white horse in Rev 6).
One striking similarity I picked up was a prophecy by Erna
Stieglitz where she says
The attack
of the red army in Europe is broken and struck down more yet, the
Russian army destroyed. The Russian losses to its army columns
alone will be seven million persons; difficult to believe such a
high demand of blood for a people that had fallen away in measure
from dialectic materialism, for a second time…
Now Nostradamus in a round about
way mentions an army of 7 million also in quatrain 8.34
After
the victory of the Lion over the Lion,
There will be great slaughter on the mountain of Jura;
Floods and dark-colored people of the seventh ( of a million ),
Lyons, Ulm at the mausoleum death and the tomb.
Alois Irlmaier also talks of a black army from the east when he
says: Quite
black an army comes from the east, but however everything occurs
very rapidly. I see a three, but I do not know if it means three
days or three weeks
Notice they all talk of dark coloured or black people from the
east now in my view this has more to do with the army’s
uniform, however I cannot rule out a dark coloured people
invading from the east. At this point the only nation of dark
skinned people in the East is India and sometimes Indian soldiers
wear some sort of kilts with trousers. In another prophecy by
Egger Gilge, Austria (1663-1735) says "One day the red-skirted will come and
then it will be terrible." If Anton Johansson’s prophecy of China
occupying India is yet to come to pass then maybe it will be more
like an alliance of the two or the way Hitler invaded Hungary in
WW2 to beef up its defence before an attack by the Soviets fell.
I think all these point to WW3(the second son in my Europa
children interpretation)
Another interesting prophecy in quatrain 1.73 is the victory of
the lion over the lion .A similar prophecy by Merlin which
mirrors the one above but in greater detail exists.He mentions a
succession of leaders using allegories.The entire prophecy is
very long but let me pick suitable excerpts
The
German Dragon will find it hard to escape to its cavernous lairs,
for vengeance for its treason will overtake it. In the end it
will become strong again just for a short time, but the
decimation of Normandy will be a sorry blow. There shall come
people dressed in wood and in iron corselets who will take
vengeance on it for its wickedness. This people shall give their
dwelling back to the earlier inhabitants, and the destruction of
foreigners will be clear for all to see.
The seed of the White Dragon shall be rooted up from our little
gardens and what is left of its progeny shall be decimated. They
shall bear the yoke of perpetual slavery, and they will wound
their own mother with their spades and ploughshares. Two more
Dragons shall follow, one of which shall be killed by the sting
of envy, but the second will return under the cover of authority.
The Lion of Justice shall come next, and at its roar the towers
of Gaul shall shake and the island Dragons tremble. In the days
of this Lion, gold shall be squeezed from the lily-Bower and the
nettle, and silver shall flow from the hooves of lowing cattle.
They who have had their hair waved shall dress in woolen stuffs
of many colours, and the outer garment shall be an index of the
thoughts within.
I
think this is after the conclusion of WW2 definitely the German
Dragon is Nazi Germany and the allied landings at Normandy
mentioned here spelt the doom of the Nazis.The fact that Nazi
Germany was occupied and broken up is also mentioned here.I
believe the Lion of Justice to be a reference to America and the
island dragons trembling at it’s roar is Imperial Japan but
this timeline stretches further on probably mentioning the Red
dragon China as well despite a time of relative peace and
prosperity after WW2.
Alternatively and possibly all the prophecy is concentrated on
Germany the first dragon being Nazi Germany the two dragons are
East Germany(killed by envy of the people for capitalism) and
West Germany coming back as a symbol of authority.
Albany
will be angry: calling her near neighbours to her, she shall give
herself entirely to bloodshed. Between her jaws there will be
found a bit which was forged in the Bay of Armorica. The eagle of
the Broken Covenant shall paint it with gold and will rejoice in
her third nesting. The cubs shall roar as they keep watch; they
will forsake the forest groves and come hunting inside the walls
of cities. They will cause great slaughter among any who oppose
them, and the tongues of bulls shall they slice off. They shall
load with chains the necks of the roaring ones and live again the
days of their forefathers. Thereafter, from the first to the
fourth, from the fourth to the third, from the third to the
second shall the thumb be rolled in oil.
The sixth shall throw down the walls of Ireland and transmute its
forests into a level plain. The sixth shall unite the different
parts into one whole, and he shall be crowned with the head of a
lion. His beginning will yield to his own unstable disposition,
but his end shall soar up towards those on high. He shall restore
the dwellings of the saints throughout the lands and settle the
pastors in places which befit them. Two towns shall he cover with
funeral palls and to virgins he will present virgin gifts. By
doing this he will earn the favour of the Thunderer, and he will
be placed among the blessed
I do not know if here Albany stands for the Balkan part of Europe
that triggers WW3 according to many prophets but it fits in very
well. Between her jaws a bit implicating (Bay of
Armorica…America??) .If Merlin was using animals as
allegories then when he says the eagle of the broken covenant
here he is definitely naming modern Russia whose emblem is a two
headed eagle. As an era of peace and concord and agreements gives
a sense of false peace Russia will attack without warning.
Eilert Jasper prophesied:
In
the evening one will say: Peace, peace. But there is no peace,
and in the morning the enemies already stand before the doors.
But it does not last long, and those will be in security who have
found a good hiding place for only a few days. Also, the escape
will be very rapid.... From the east this war will break out. I
am frightened of the east. our soldiers will go to the borders,
soon thereafter returning home calmly. But hardly they are at
home when the enemy is there in such strength it's as if they
grew like mushrooms out of the ground.
The slaughter of people is definitely WW3 coz Russia rejoicing in
her third nesting seems to speak of Russia enjoying her brief
successes and campaigning in what for her is a third campaign in
a world war by this time(the others being in the other two wars)
The cubs roaring as they keep watch is probably England,
Netherlands, Denmark and Germany all having lions as on their
royal ensign and the eventually victorious nations of northern
Europe. The mention of the first to the fourth, fourth to the
third and third to the second is remarkable these must be the 4
noble ones …and this passage mentions them passing ruler
ship to each other. However the 6th coming and uniting all under
one empire and being crowned with the head of a lion echoes the
Chiren great king/horn of the Goat…it is a matter of
conjecture whether he comes first and they come later or they are
his contemporaries but he unites them under his banner.
The answer could be tantalizingly provided by Nostradamus in
quatrain 1:73
France
shall be accused of neglect by her five partners.
Tunis, Algiers stirred up by the Persians.
Leon, Seville and Barcelona having failed,
They will not have the fleet because of the Venetians.
This means the coalition of western Europe just as Merlin says
shall compose of about 6 countries probably England, Denmark,
Netherlands, Germany, France and Spain with the French king being
the 6th accused of neglect by her five allies (with the failure
of Spain to contain the invasion being perhaps the most vocal
accuser)It is after this that France or the French northern king
makes a stand helping them to overcome the invaders from the
east.
As you have mention on your website this is the point prophesied
by Brother Adam of Wuerzburg when he says:
A
great monarch determined by God will attack the army in the north
at the Niederrhein and overpower it with the most modern weapons.
In Saxonia, where the back-flooding army places itself again to
the battle, it will be struck and destroyed. Thus the war is
terminated in Germany. The remainder of Russia's staggering
armies will be pursued deep into the internal parts of Russia and
wiped out.
It also becomes possible to read the lion of Justice as the
Germanic king of the north in the image of Chiren the 6th king
crowned a Lion
In that case the war of Revelation 9 -‘Trumpet 6’ is
the fourth global war against the coalition of ‘Gog and
Magog’ symbolised by the 4 angels at the Euphrates probably
two centuries later with intermittent smaller wars in-between. I
interpret the 4 angels as 4 kings… king of Persia, King of
Gomer(North Caucasus),King of Beth Togarmah(Central Asia) and a
king of Cush,Put in Africa. They are the four kings that have to
be put down before the Antichrist can step on the scene (Apollyon
before them is in my view the leader of the black army beaten in
WW3 and makes the fifth king)
This is why Rev 17:19 says The seven hills on which the woman sits
are also seven kings(the seven crowned heads of the dragon and
the 7 heads of the beast) .Five have fallen ,one is the other has
not yet come, but when he does he must remain for a little
while’.
I personally think the war of Gog and Magog is the war of
quatrain 8.77 immediately after which the Antichrist comes on the
scene. The clue is in the bible
In Ezekiel 39:9 ’Then those who live in the towns
of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them
up…For 7 years they will use them for fuel’
The period of 7 years is a veiled hint of quelling any
insurrection or uprising by burning of weapons, a 7 year peace
period of a covenant signed for Daniel’s final
‘week’ in Daniel 9;27 broken in the middle of the
week…that will only be ‘peaceful’ in as far as the
Antichrist is stamping out all opposition to his rule and
oppressing the survivors in the name of peace. What is more this
is the war that witnesses a celestial judgement on the earth by
God. The detail is again in the bible. In Zachariah 11:6 God says
he will destroy 3 leaders in a month and in Ezekiel 38:22 he will
rain fire and brimstone on Gog and his allies, but in Rev 13:13
the Antichrist (through the false prophet) claims God’s
judgement was his own power. This is how we see the Daniel 7:8
prophecy being fulfilled.
This judgement I do not doubt is the judgement spoken of as the 3
days of darkness, the hail fire and brim stone raining on the
earth spoken of in Ezekiel 38:22, Rev 8:7(1st trumpet) and the
hurricanes or rain of fire spoken of by Padre Pio, Marie Julie
Jahenny and Nostradamus in quatrain 1.46
Anna Maria Tiagi another 19th century prophet( I
forgot to include her among those speaking of the 3 days of
darkness) gives a distinction of this being a celestial judgment
probably amidst a war she says
God
will send two punishments: one will be in the form of wars,
revolutions and other evils; it shall originate on earth. The
other will be sent from Heaven. There shall come over the whole
earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights.
Nothing can be seen, and the air will be laden with pestilence
which will claim many. It will be impossible to use any man-made
lighting during this darkness, except blessed candles. He, who
out of curiosity, opens his window to look out, or leaves his
home, will fall dead on the spot. During these three days, people
should remain in their homes, pray the Rosary and beg God for
mercy. The air shall be infected by demons who will appear under
all sorts of hideous forms. Religion shall be persecuted, and
priests massacred. Churches shall be closed, but only for a short
time. The Holy Father shall be obliged to leave Rome.
I strongly believe this is the trumpet judgment during WW4.
Interestingly the Quran and Muslim eschatology speaks of an
identical event ‘A night three nights long will
follow the fog. It will occur in the month of Zil-Hajj after
Eidul-Adha, and cause much restlessness among the people. After
the night of three nights, the following morning the sun will
rise in the west….
Yes I read your explanation of the Arthurian lore, Bedwyr, and I
already knew mythically Odin is described as having one eye. I
simply wanted to help you buttress your prophecy with scriptural
text in Zachariah 11:1-17 .After all I still believe biblical
prophecy is very accurate and very few prophecies give an actual
description of the antichrist apart from that one and a few in
Daniel. The fact that he has one eye has a frighteningly chilling
correlation to an Islamic end time prophecy which also ties in
the whole picture. You see in Islam the end time prophecy is that
a Messianic figure called the Mahdi with Isa
ibn Mariyam (Jesus) return to slay the ‘Dajjal’
a one eyed monster who will rule the world after which they usher
in an age of worldwide Jihad to subdue all to Allah. Now this
mention of a one eyed figure is undeniably the true antichrist.
It is no coincidence because my reckoning is this is the final
showdown between the king of the North(Antichrist proper) and the
King of the south (Mahdi and descendant of Hannibal spoken of in
quatrain 2.30).I say this because I believe the king of the
Muslims will not be a mere political head but a messianic figure
for Islam just as the antichrist will appear to be one for
Christendom if only for a while. The Mahdi’s attack north
will be a serious attempt to destroy the northern king whom he
calls the Infidel from hell while the Christians at the time will
be made to believe that the Antichrist is the defender of
Christendom fighting against a Muslim antichrist.
This surprisingly ties in with the prophecy that you mention in
the book of Esdras coz I have never had a chance to read it, but
if you say the last period of human history is defined by first
of all 3 tyrants, then two most terrible kings… I have to
say it still falls in quite neatly. The 3 are definitely the ones
destroyed by God a victory quickly claimed by the Antichrist
(Daniel 7:8)…In fact the 3 could be the 3 kings from the
east called by the 3 frog spirits in Revelation 16:13 of the bowl
6 judgment that through some treachery or trickery by the
Antichrist are forced to come against Israel…and are
annihilated by God.. God also says he will draw kings against
Israel for annihilation in Ezekiel 38:4 …hooked in the jaw
drawn to battle by God(again probably with the antichrist as the
human agent taking credit) . The Mahdi will probably survive( but
continues the fight against the Antichrist alone) .These two
remaining kings are the duo from hell spoken of in Daniel
11:21-33.A Mahdi-Antichrist faceoff speaks of anything less than
a bloodbath where there will be no respite for men from the
horrors of this clash This struggle will be what I believe to be
WW 4.
Yes after the defeat of 3 kings and Mahdi..are defeated the
antichrist will replace them to leave 10 viceroys answering to
him. This is the empire of the last and 4th beast and the empire
of the Dragon with 7 heads and 10 crowns on its ten horns.In my
view the 10 horns are all on the last 7th head as only the 7th
king is the infernal prince destined for the lake of fire the 6
before are precursors. This prophecy is again corroborated by a
small hint in Zachariah because it hints that the Antichrist may
be fully or partly Jewish.. In Zacheriah 8:23 it says ‘In those days
ten men (kings) will take firm hold of one Jew by the edge
of the robe (a symbol of authority) and say
‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with
you’
Then the tribulation period begins proper and the Antichrist will
desolate the world the battle of Armageddon encapsulates not a
war of men against men but God’s intervention and so
it’s a war between the Antichrist and the forces of heaven.
Please paste me the prophecy of the 2nd book of Esdras in your
reply it seems intriguing…I hope I have been of some
assistance to you too with my analysis once again.If you don't
have the Merlin prophecies I'd be glad to send you the entire
lot.They talk of numerous kings and wars after WW3 and could
easily fit with the 25 emperor scenario of Esdras.I actually
think though there are only 4 world wars ...the gap between WW3
and WW4 is very big but filled with smaller wars.
Keep in touch and don't mind if it takes a while to reply,I love
it when you do
Your friend
Angelo.
P.S: thanks again for sharing your work with me and my thoughts
with others..a great honour from a scholar like you.
About EL
----- Original Message -----
From: Kris
P.
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: About EL
Hey Mike.
I like how your article on the Whore of Babylon is turning out, especially the part where you say that Madona is falling into Satans' trap for making an end of the forces of chaos, which is a double blasphemy, because she has only a faint idea of what she's dealing with.
Just one small correction.
Marduk and EL are the same god. EL (Deity, Supreme God)
comes from BEL, a title which signified supremacy in ancient
Babylon (Lord, Master), where BEL was used almost exclusively for
Marduk, but BEL or EL was also used to represent the
The Sun. The ancient Babylonian gods were all
symbols of the SUN, with Marduk being supreme in Babylonia, and
Asshur being supreme in Assyria. Practically all other
supreme Gods since then come from the supreme solar, Sun god
of the Babylonians, like BAAL (BA EL), Elohim (EL ohim),etc,
but being renamed later on. Furthermore, Sun
worship was always associated with human sacrifice in
history. Interesting huh? :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bel_(god)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(god)
I hope that helps Mike,
May the force be with you!
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Hi Kris,
Thank you for your appraisal of the article. I can truly say you are among a few who truly grasp the full meaning of it. I appreciate your correction ... and you may well be right ... but before I continue, you should know the links you provided are pointing to pages that say the following:
Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Bel (god in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.
Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for El (god in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.
If one searches enough with the links supplied however, pages do come up with listings of names like Bel, Baal, El Shaddai, Elohim, etc... many suggesting that Bel and El are one. Normally I would have little problem with this, although it appears to me at this time that some scholars have confused El and YHWH (Yahweh) and historically such confusion may have led certain peoples, especially in Babylon, to actually worship YHWH under another name (Marduk) when it is another god they were intending to worship.
This article opened my eyes a bit:
http://the-red-thread.net/IS-RA-EL.html
The following is the concluding paragraph that summarises what the entire page is conerned with:
What I also suggest is that EL and YHWH were two separate 'gods' - see: YHWH as Marduk. So we see that the gods El and Yahweh are distinct gods from each other, as distinct as their individual names. Yahweh was worshipped as a war god from the deserts of southern Palestine who migrated north to Judah while El was the god of Israel whose home was Mesopotamia. Historically speaking, the two gods must be regarded as originally distinct that subsequently were related and finally identified through political and religious syncreticism.
Betty Rhodes
Following the above link to the following page, also on the same website, http://the-red-thread.net/marduk-yhwh-comparisons.html, we find that the author gives us 38 very good reasons to believe that YHWH and Marduk were the same god. Thus, historically, if we believe the author has made a convincing argument that El had nothing to do with Yahweh, that they were considered to be two seperate deities, we must conclude that Marduk and El were NOT the same god, and that we can only speculate from this information that the Babylonians mistakenly believed they were worshipping El, not Yahweh, as Marduk (as the god of Babylon was hated by Yahweh). As the author Rhodes reminds us, "the two gods (El and Yahweh) must be regarded as originally distinct that subsequently were related..." That is to say, by relating them, they were confused with one another by certain peoples.
This confusion, I believe, eventually corrected itself as Rhodes concludes "(El and YHWH were) finally identified through political and religious syncreticism." Thus, El was finally worshipped in his many forms as Baal and Ba'al Hammon (Lord Hamman or God Hammon). El, always the horned god since antiquity, became the ultimate horned god as he was then represented by a bull or an ox.
It is Baal then that Nostradamus, knowing his gods well, is relating to the powerful "dame" who "puts the Innocents to the fire" before being consumed "by the true flame" herself. When this will happen, I do not know. I do know that Madonna has a strong attraction to Spain and its culture, and it is in Spain that the monstrous ox (Baal) is seen. She will also put on the mantle of the goddess Ishtar, who was linked to Marduk (Yahweh), but certainly not out of reverence to Yahweh, but rather, because Ishtar was regarded as "Queen of Heaven" and was so utterly licentious, like the Whore of Babylon, and drunken with the blood of those sacrificed in her name at orgies and other rituals and festivities.
This historical confusion, in any event, will likely be lost upon most viewers who read the article, and, it is only necessary that they come to know that Madonna, as the Whore of Babylon and Queen of Heaven will bring about a return to Baal worship and human sacrifice (on a massive scale).
Thanks again for your interest and your help.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Kris
P.
To: mmcclellan@adelphia.net
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:35 AM
Subject: RE: About EL
Hi mike,
Good to hear from
you. If your assistant Kathryn read my email, she
probably thought, Oh no, not another discussion on
ancient gods with this guy, I'm going to leave it to Mike, lol .
Anyways, the reason i sent you those links was because i needed a quick reference as backing for my claims for the definitions of these names (which I am well familiar with), and I thought Wikipedia would be the fastest way to get those. I honestly didn't read the entire links, just made sure the definitions were correct, and went with them.
I dislike using wikipedia as a
source, but it can be useful ocasionally. What I wanted to
use was a certain old text, but i had to re-read through it first
to get the quotes I wanted. The current knowledge (which is
not new) I have on those gods came to me in a life changing
book. A few years ago I was able to acquire a certain
ancient (actual 100 year old book) called:
The Historical Bases Of Religions: Primitive-Babylonian-And
Jewish by Hiram Chellis Brown, 1906.
I urge you to seek it out if you are serious about ancient religions. I will try to summarize what I wanted and want to tell you about Marduk, Bel, Baal and El in a few quotes that will be a more clear expression of what I wanted to say in the first place. Here they are:
"Enlil, or Bel was father of Marduk, who in later ages became the supreme god of Babylonia, and in whom the attributes of all the other gods were finally merged. The worship of Bel was universal throughout the country, and it extended so far into the prehistoric past as to make Nippur a religious centre, and give it a sacred character and prestige that could only come with a long period of political and prestigious prominence (page 55)."
"...all or.
at any rate, the highest deities in the Babylonian pantheon are
designated as one with, and one in, the god Marduk.
The god Nin-ib is Marduk as being Possesor of Power.
The god Nergal is Marduk as being Lord of the Conflict of Battle.
The god Bel is Marduk as being Possesor of Lordship (Supreme
Lord).
The god Nebu is Marduk as being God of Industry and Trade.
The god Sin is Marduk as being illuminator of the Night.
The god Samas is Marduk as being god of the Day, and Lord of all
that is just.
The god Addu is Marduk as being god of Rain.
...Marduk accordingly is Nin-ib as well as Nergal, moon-god as
well as sun-god, and so on,- the names Nin-ib and Nergal, Sin and
Samas, are simply different ways of describing the one god
Marduk; they are all one with him and in him (page 95-96)."
"As the people of Israel became agriculturists, they brought their offerings to agricultural divinities, whose shrines were found on every hill-top, under every green tree, and by every flowing spring. There the various gods, - Jehovah, Milcom (Moloch), Chemosh, Astarte and others, - under the comprehensive title of El, Bel, or Baal, were invited to feast with their worshippers and sanctify with their presence the orgies that followed (page 162)."
The author states (and I have to agree with him) that the mythologies of different civilizations (and cultures) don't complement and match each other perfectly like the pieces of a giant puzzle into a neatly and tightly formed picture. They do not! But I do believe however that the ancient religions (Egyptian, Sumerian, Vedic) had their source in a pre-dilluvial religion and civilization like that of Atlantis, and as the millenia passed these close fitting pieces become more numerous and less compatible to each other.
The author talks a lot about the israelites. What i found really significant was that, the Israelite/Jews become much more monotheistic during the time of and after their conquest by the Assyrians. This was only due to the effect the highly developed monotheistic religion of the warrior Assyrians had on the Jewish priesthood, passed to them by the mighty Babylonian civilization.
Now about that author who claims that Marduk and YHWH are the same god and then claims they're not the same god. This is hypocrisy, and from experience I dislike hypocrits, and have to label those claims as conceit which is common among such people. And i adhere to Jesus here, as he reproached hypocrats and liars. I would say they are closer than they are further in the ideology of a monotheistic god.
However, you must know that this author makes claims and assumptions that are wrong. I'm not going to go debunk every claim he makes but, for example Bel/Marduk existed hundreds if not thousand years before anyone mentioned of YHWH! I have yet to see evidence of YHWH worship before the time of Moses, 1500-1600BC, so a 2000 BC claim for YHWH is frivilous. But even even with that date, Marduk still predates him. The Late Sumerian/ Early Babylonian civilizations date to around 4000 B.C., the age of Taurus (The Bull), thus you see the half bull, half man, anthropomorphic creatures that were carved as holy guardians/watchers/cherubim, by the very astro-theologically aware Babylonians and Sumerians. Lets remember that Abraham the father of the Jews, emerged from Mesopotamia around 2000B.C. into the Canaanite regions where Baal worship was already evolving. Mesopotamia at that time was the Babylonian culture! Whose alphabet did the jews adopt later on? the Phoenicians'. The Phoenicians and Chaldeans and others were heavily religiously and otherwise influenced by the Babylonians from whom the jews heavily borrowed.
Furthermore the planet of Marduk is Jupiter (like Zeus') which is closer to a star than a planet. Let's remember that the cuneiform for a God in Babylonia is the Star!
Finally, how can Marduk, the god of Babylonia, claim that the god of Babylon is its enemy? That would mean Marduk is his own enemy! lol
Anyways, it is perhaps irrelevant whether YHWH is a prototype of of the Egyptian Solar deity RA, or of Bel/El, or both, because like i stated above, these are ideologically the same monotheistic deity, which was imparted on those civilizations by an event more ancient and forgoten civilization. Yet, I am firmly convinced that all these gods RA,BEL,YHWH, whether one believes are the same or not, even though "monotheistic" deities, which they're not really, are pagan in their nature. And perhaps this very fact, holds secrets to the nature of a pre-dilluvial, long forgoten, and decadent civilization and perhaps even to our own "advanced" one.
Yours truly,
KP
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Hi Kris,
I think I created some confusion with the associations I read on that website. Although in the final analysis I find myself agreeing with your current email, I do not see that she has contradicted herself. I will try to simplify what associations she made:
The author was saying El and YHWH (Yahweh) were not the same god on one page (El does not = YHWH).
Then on another page she said that Marduk and YHWH were the same god (Marduk = YHWH).
The conclusion, therefore, if both cases were true, would logically be that El and Marduk were not the same god or related (El does not = YHWH).
However, I bow to the knowledge and expertise of the book and author you have cited. I believe you have dismissed the findings published on the above author's website, irregardless of your misunderstanding what that author was saying.
Therefore there will be no reason to correct what I said in my 2008 article concerning Madonna on the Personalities From The Book Of Revelation page, but the current article on the Second Home page will have to be tweaked in a few locations.
Eventually, both articles will be merged on the Personalities From The Book Of Revelation page.
Thank you for the clarification.
Kind regards,
Mike
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Hi again Kris,
I know I have answered this email already, but Kathryn also wants to make a reply. Thanks.
Mike
.........
Hi Kris P
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain to Mike and I about your findings. To be honest Mike is far more educated on such matters than I am. At this present time we choose (myself backing Mike's article) to make those remarks about Marduk, because we have to put things across as we see them at that time. I am not saying who is right and who is wrong, but history has been so confused it is hard to tell who was who. Please do not take this as discouragement. We see your point. And we truly appreciate your help on clearing this matter up. But our goal is to get to the truth and tell what we know so that people can judge for themselves. If along the way a few things may appear wrong, that is ok for the time being, because often the wrong answers can lead us to the right ones. We just have to make sure they are wrong first.*LOL*
Kind regards Kathryn.
The Book of Enoch
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
Skøtt Andersen
To: Michael McClellan
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:11 PM
Subject: The Book of Enoch
Hi Mike and Kathryn
Kathryn you ask the following:
Has humanity for thousands of years been part of a breeding programme ordered by God? An experiment to manipulate species from different races to create one single entity that fulfills all his requirements? One that has been genetically modified by his sons of God, or Aliens as we know them, in order to reach a perfected final goal?
In Revelation 12 its says :
Woe to the
inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down
to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short
time.
Could it be that part of his wrath is to make experiments on
humans ?
If you read the following excerpt
from "The book of Enoch" You will see that
the "fallen angels" or as they are described
elsewhere "the sons of God" did not take women as their
wives in
accordance with Gods orders.
They did it in disobedience to his law.
This is quite clear in chapter 10.
In the book of Enoch the fallen angels are also refered to as the
Watchers.
[Chapter 6]
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied
that in those days were born unto
2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the
children of the heaven, saw and lusted
after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose
us wives from among the children of men
3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said
unto them: 'I fear ye will not
4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the
penalty of a great sin.' And they all
answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all
bind ourselves by mutual imprecations
5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they
all together and bound themselves
6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two
hundred; who descended in the days of
Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it
Mount Hermon, because they had sworn
7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these
are the names of their leaders:
Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel,
Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal,
8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel,
Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are
their chiefs of tens.
[Chapter 7]
1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves
wives, and each chose for himself one,
and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves
with them, and they taught them charms
2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them
acquainted with plants. And they
3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was
three thousand ells: Who consumed
4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer
sustain them, the giants turned against
5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds,
and beasts, and reptiles, and
6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.
Then the earth laid accusation against the
lawless ones.
[Chapter 8]
1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields,
and breastplates, and made known
to them the metals of the earth and the art of working
them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use
of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all
kinds of costly stones, and all
2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they
committed fornication, and they
3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza
taught enchantments, and root-cuttings,
'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught)
astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel
the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the
earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the
course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and
their cry went up to heaven . . .
[Chapter 9]
1 And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from
heaven and saw much blood being
2 shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the
earth. And they said one to another:
'The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of
their cryingst up to the gates of heaven.
3 And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make
their suit, saying, "Bring our cause
4 before the Most High."' And they said to the Lord of the
ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings,
and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth)
unto all the generations of the
5 ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the
ages! Thou hast made all things, and power
over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and
open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all
6 things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou seest what
Azazel hath done, who hath taught all
unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets
which were (preserved) in heaven, which
7 men were striving to learn: And Semjaza, to whom Thou hast
given authority to bear rule over his associates.
And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth,
and have slept with the
9 women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all
kinds of sins. And the women have
10 borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with
blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold,
the souls of those who have died are crying and making
their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations
have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless
deeds which are
11 wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they
come to pass, and Thou seest these things and
Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we
are to do to them in regard to these.'
[Chapter 10]
1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent
Uriel to the son of Lamech,
2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide
thyself!" and reveal to him the end that approaching:
that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is
about to come
3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And
now instruct him that he may escape
4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the
world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel
hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an
opening
5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And
place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with
darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his
face that he may
6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall
be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels
have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth,
that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men
may
not perish through all the secret things that the
8 Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the
whole earth has been corrupted
9 through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe
all sin.' And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the
bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of
fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the
children
of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go
forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy
each other in
10 battle: for length of days shall they not have. And no request
that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted
unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live
an eternal life, and
11 that each one of them will live five hundred years.' And the
Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates
who have united themselves with women so as to have
defiled themselves
12 with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have
slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their
beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in
the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of
their
consummation, till the judgement that is
13 for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be
led off to the abyss of fire: and
14 to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined
for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed
will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the
end of all
15 generations. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and
the children of the Watchers, because
16 they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of
the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the
plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall
prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth' shall be
planted
in truth and joy for evermore.
I have attached the full text of " The book of Enoch" . I hope you will find it useful.
Luke 17:26-30 (NIV)
"Just
as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of
the Son of Man. People were eating,
drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah
entered the ark.
Then the flood came and destroyed them all. "It was the same in the days of Lot. People
were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and
building. But the day Lot left Sodom,
fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them
all. "It will be just like
this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.
My point is that if God had not
wiped out the majority of humanity , then we as a race would
probably have succeeded in killing of ourselves together with all
life on this planet a long time ago..
So according to Luke we are in for a hefty ride soon. Humanity
will suffer both floods and fire from the sky, and ..
Oh
I almost forgot.. alien intervention.
Friendly greetings
Michael Skøtt Andersen / Copenhagen d'Annemarc
Hi Michael,
Reading the excerpt you sent me from the book of Enoch, I can see why you would make the assumption that God had not sent the sons of God. But note the Bible calls them sons of God, and I think that is with good reason. I plan to say more on Mike's website, but I have to be careful how I do this. I do not wish to be misinterpreted and want to make my words very clear. I do not wish to upset certain powers that be either, but I strongly suspect they are being tricked with the promise of (false) technology. I DO believe these aliens are Satanic in nature and that certain agencies are having dealings with them. But I also am suspicious of what they have come here for. After all the evidence I have seen so far, this concludes me to believe that God is behind their motions, not Satan as it seems.
With regards,
Kathryn
I just got a chock. I was working on my
computer when there was a news flash on CNN that president Obama
names Ray Mabus as the next secretary of the Navy.
The choice is our own.
It was in the evening or night and the sky was dark and it would seem cloudy, at least I didnt see any stars.
I was standing in a house or in the garden in front of a house close to the railway of the A-train line in Copenhagen. I have seen the houses in real life when I sometimes passes by in the A-train. The railway is situated on a rise in the terrain. Suddenly I saw a passenger jet with two engines diving steeply from the right of me and then across the railway, when the pilot managed to pull the jet out of the dive and allmost flying leveled verry close to the ground. While he was doing this he also turned the plane around so it now was travelling towards me, and allmost below the railway. For a moment I thought that the right wing of the plane was going to hit the house in which I was standing, and that it would cut me down, but instead the nose of the plane pitched up and at the same time the plane banked left.
I got at glimpse of the company name on the side of the jet. It was in blue text and said "KLM".
Apparently the jet was stalling and turned to the left with the nose pointing down. The jet crashed into the side of the rise where the railway is situated. There was no explosion but I knew that at least the pilots would be killed. Throug out this dream I didnt hear any sound from jet engines. The crash took place between the stations "Ellebjerg" and "Sjælør" or "Åmarken" and "Sjælør".
After
the Crash in Amsterdam of the Turkish airlines passenger jet I
got a call from two of my sisters whom I had told this dream.
Both of them said that it must have been what I had been dreaming
of.
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"I have also heard that Obama, while he could never have gotten elected without illuminati (term herewith used to include all the secret ops) support, is planning to buck the system. I heard it is his intention in his 8 years as President to create the tipping point which will neutralize illuminati control. That is purportedly why they attempted to assassinate him twice during the election campaign. Do you remember that airplane he was on that mysteriously lost altitude and then recovered? Some are saying that ETs intervened—and that we are getting a lot of off planet help..."
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